[rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"

Wed Apr 12 18:53:07 UTC 2017

This policy is beautiful but needs a focus on a specific group as target. Until this is decided, i consider it a dangerous and a harmful one!

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Arsène Tungali,
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> On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> Not really. The Policy is intended to affect the people/departments/decision makers that are actually causing a shutdown to happen.
> i.e. - not Universities, Hospitals, Businesses or Joe Public.
> If the Government were also to suddenly change (Arab Spring style) then the ban would also presumably be immediately lifted.
> After all - what is the point of AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is to promote Internet growth and penetration in Africa) servicing governments who don't allow the people to have Internet service, or who keep switching it off.
> 
> ps. Can someone point me to an article or two that explains the reason why the anglophones have been denied Internet in the Cameroon.
> 
>> On 12/04/2017 20:09, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote:
>> +1 Maya
>> 
>> So in order to stop internet shutdowns by governments, AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is to promote Internet growth and penetration in Africa), will now further punish the same community it serves by shutting down ISP's and alienating the target governments? 
>> 
>> How does that work? (genuine question)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> 
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>> 2017-04-12 9:46 GMT+01:00 Maye Diop <mayediop at gmail.com>:
>>> Dear All,
>>> We all accept that this is a big issue and Even if AfGWG does not have any interference with policy, I would like to remind tthat one Objective of the Working Group is To strengthen the collaboration between AFRINIC and African Governments and Regulators to promote sustainable and secure Internet development in Africa.
>>> Putting in place a discriminatory policy for Government and privating a country of ressources will  neither help to involve more government on AFRINIC activities to help them to better understand nor bring any change if they decided to take decisions to shutdown Internet.
>>> I'll vote for a dedicated high worklevel shop to raise this issue at regional level.
>>> Best Regards
>>> 
>>> 2017-04-12 5:28 GMT+00:00 Vymala <vymala at afrinic.net>:
>>>> Hello Barrack
>>>>> , i would be keen to understand whether the same has gone through the AFRINIC  Government working group as Seun has indicated and their views on the same,
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As you know the Community draft Proposals and Policies and AFRINIC does not interfere in any case in the process.
>>>> In this case the  "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)” is addressing Internet Shutdown and concerns Governments.
>>>> 
>>>> There is no policy or proposal that needs to be validated by the AFRINIC Government Working Group as the AfGWG is a closed and dedicated
>>>> forum for Governments, Regulators and LEA’s to discuss on opportunities and challenges they are facing with regards to the Internet Development in Africa amongst other.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this clear your question.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> vymala
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 6:55 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting proposal, given the role of governments in our eco-system , i would be keen to understand whether the same has gone through the AFRINIC  Government working group as Seun has indicated and their views on the same, i think we should endeavour to keep the Internet on at all costs, any punitive measure that can result in switching off the Internet or denying users access in any part of the world is not ideal in my humble opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017 1:52 AM, "Keshwarsingh Nadan" <kn at millenium.net.mu> wrote:
>>>>>> Moonesawmy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >In Section 1 of AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01, it is stated that "these
>>>>>> >shutdowns have been shown to cause economic damage".  Could you
>>>>>> >please provide some data about the economic damage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I confine myself within bounds better suited to my own capacity, perhaps this could help?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.pdf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >What is the meaning of "direct provable relationships" in Section 13.1?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is my belief that you should unsubscribe from this list since you were unable to understand the basic meaning of whatever you quoted above.
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