[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Sun Mar 26 14:40:42 UTC 2017

Hi Andrew,

Please see my comments inline

2017-03-26 13:01 GMT+01:00 Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>:

> The co-chairs cannot act as editors for a proposal that they have to
> adjudicate consensus on.
>
> That cannot happen - it is beyond their mandate granted by the bylaws and
> it creates a direct conflict of interest situation, which is something we
> have worked hard to address at all levels within AfriNIC.
>
>

*Could you please substantiate this claim in the Bylaw and/or PDP document?*

> Furthermore, any individual is free to propose another policy if they feel
> that something on the table does not meet their needs.
>

*If they feel something does not meet their needs, why can they not
contribute to the improvement of the policy on the table? Please I appeal
to everyone's sense of reason: what good does it do to have two, three,
four and so on proposals addressing the same exact issue? It will scatter
efforts of the members but also ,dare I say, introduce some sort of
competition aspect to our policy development.*

*I will say it again, I strongly believe that there should be only one
policy proposal addressing a specific issue which should be on rpd at a
given time. It will allow community to focus , give meaningful
contributions and accelerate the discussion phase*

Honest Ornella GANKPA

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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Honest Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 26, 2017 2:45:44 PM
> *To:* Mark Elkins
> *Cc:* rpd
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> From my point of view, I don’t see anything sad about it. I see progress
> and an opportunity to improve our PDP process.
>
> The Co-Chairs have done a good job of presenting the main points of the
> discussions we had. Why not contribute or comment on that as requested?
>
> One lesson I learned from this is that we should try not to have 2
> proposals dealing with the same issue in the PDP. What we should do is work
> as a community to improve or reject proposals that are submitted.
>
> Another proposal from you does not make sense to me especially as your
> team refused to cooperate with the Co-chairs. As far as I understand,
> because you withdrew your policy, softlanding-bis is currently the policy
> under consideration.
>
> We can react to the feedback at https://goo.gl/AWCCWd and update the
> policy. If there are no constraints, we could even do this without the
> authors, have the Co-chairs act as editors and make this a real community
> process.
>
>
> What we must not do is waste even more of everyone's time and Co-chairs
> effort in getting us to this point.
>
> Best regards
>
> Honest Ornella GANKPA
>
>
>
> 2017-03-24 21:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>:
>
>> That's a bit sad.
>>
>> I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some successful (IPv6
>> /48, AnyCast) and some not (Inter-regional Transfer - which I withdrew). I
>> believe that there is a need to re-address some parts of the Soft Landing
>> Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough to give this a try.
>>
>> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing proposal was first
>> proposed (and that wasn't a quick task) along with what has been learned by
>> watching other regions and by some of our own proposals will allow our
>> community to better shape the Soft Landing Proposal to something that will
>> allow some limited but crucial IPv4 resources to last a fare bit longer
>> into the future for new entrants into this world of Internet Addresses.
>>
>> On 24/03/2017 22:08, Arsène Tungali wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> Though we still have 3 days to go (out of the 7 suggested by the
>> Co-chairs to hear from the community on their suggestion),
>>
>> As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the impression that we (community)
>> will not be able to move ahead with this work as per the wonderful
>> suggestion by co-chairs. If this wonderful idea was supported by the
>> community, there should have been someone to take the lead (already).
>>
>> In my opinion, since no one from the community has stepped in to work on
>> a merged policy, I would suggest co-chairs to just leave this and declare
>> it a dead proposal. There is no interest in working on a merged proposal
>> given that original authors were not able to come together and produce
>> something as we all agreed in Mauritius. This is frustrating and I hope we
>> take lessons from this experience for the future.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali**
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>>
>> 2017-03-22 22:09 GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <aalain at trstech.net>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Community
>>>
>>> We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in managing the soft landing
>>> update’s process incepted by the 2 policy proposals. We also thank the
>>> community for the intensive discussions and contributions.
>>>
>>> We have contributed to the post-Mauritius initiative from the co-chairs
>>> on this update to the softlanding and remain available for any further
>>> actions required from us.
>>>
>>> We still believe that amending certain aspects of the current  soft
>>> landing policy adopted in 2011, is  a good thing to do, despite the time
>>> wasted and  the fact that  AFRINIC  v4 pool showing 1.077 /8 available,
>>> which means the soft landing may be triggered anytime soon.
>>>
>>> We hope that the community has learnt a lot from this process and
>>> consider the main lesson here to be, the fundamental principle of
>>> policies/standards' development, which is that when a proposal is on the
>>> table to address an issue and has been accepted for discussion, it becomes
>>> community's document, aiming to be improved by the community up to
>>> adoption, rejection or withdrawal.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Softlanding-bis Co-authors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear AfriNIC Community,
>>> > Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,
>>> >
>>> > Many of you may have followed the proceedings of the two conflicting
>>> proposals addressing IPv4 exhaustion.
>>> >
>>> > At the last meeting in Mauritius, authors of both IPv4 run-out
>>> management proposals agreed to consider working together to develop an
>>> improved proposal.
>>> > We regret to inform you that despite several efforts, both groups of
>>> authors were unable to collaborate towards a joint solution.
>>> >
>>> > As that process is deadlocked, the co-chairs have put together some of
>>> the major points in discussions raised over multiple meetings and mailing
>>> list discussions. Because the community has made many valid observations on
>>> improvements that could be made to the status quo, we hereby suggest that
>>> these be assessed by the community with a view to presenting a proposal
>>> that better manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.
>>> >
>>> > Some examples of recommended improvements include consideration for
>>> new entrants, IPv6 transition provisions, and repurposing of reserves for
>>> the "unforeseen".
>>> >
>>> > To avoid entering a loop similar to what we recently encountered,
>>> there is a need to concentrate our efforts on a joint solution. Can we
>>> discuss and let the co-chairs assist with the draft of a proposal that
>>> contains only areas that have rough consensus?
>>> >
>>> > If there are areas on which consensus cannot be reasonably reached,
>>> those can be left out of the policy update proposal. Although the resulting
>>> proposal may be treated under the emergency provisions of the PDP due to
>>> time sensitivity of the subject matter, the ideal situation would be for
>>> the draft update to be received before the next PPM.
>>> >
>>> > Although the PDP does not expressly require the above, we trust that
>>> all community members will be reasonable and work together constructively
>>> rather than seek to frustrate any efforts that do not align with their
>>> viewpoints.
>>> >
>>> > The extracts from discussions till date are at https://goo.gl/AWCCWd
>>> and we would like to receive feedback and suggestions from the community
>>> > over the next 7 days.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>>> > Mob: +249122045707
>>> >
>>> >
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