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<div>That cannot happen - it is beyond their mandate granted by the bylaws and it creates a direct conflict of interest situation, which is something we have worked hard to address at all levels within AfriNIC.</div>
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<div>Furthermore, any individual is free to propose another policy if they feel that something on the table does not meet their needs. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#0000ff">If they feel something does not meet their needs, why can they not contribute to the improvement of the policy on the table? Please I appeal to everyone's sense of reason: what good does it do to have two, three, four and so on proposals addressing the same exact issue? It will scatter efforts of the members but also ,dare I say, introduce some sort of competition aspect to our policy development.</font></b></div><div><b><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></b></div><div><b><font color="#0000ff">I will say it again, I strongly believe that there should be only one policy proposal addressing a specific issue which should be on rpd at a given time. It will allow community to focus , give meaningful contributions and accelerate the discussion phase</font></b></div><div><br></div><div>Honest Ornella GANKPA</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div id="gmail-m_5543868872956590915compose-container"><div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 26, 2017 2:45:44 PM<br>
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<div>From my point of view, I don’t see anything sad about it. I see progress and an opportunity to improve our PDP process. </div>
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<div>The Co-Chairs have done a good job of presenting the main points of the discussions we had. Why not contribute or comment on that as requested? </div>
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<div>One lesson I learned from this is that we should try not to have 2 proposals dealing with the same issue in the PDP. What we should do is work as a community to improve or reject proposals that are submitted. </div>
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<div>Another proposal from you does not make sense to me especially as your team refused to cooperate with the Co-chairs. As far as I understand, because you withdrew your policy, softlanding-bis is currently the policy under consideration. </div>
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<div>We can react to the feedback at <a href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a> and update the policy. If there are no constraints, we could even do this without the authors, have the Co-chairs act as editors and make this a real community process.
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<div>What we must not do is waste even more of everyone's time and Co-chairs effort in getting us to this point.</div>
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<p>That's a bit sad.</p>
<p>I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some successful (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not (Inter-regional Transfer - which I withdrew). I believe that there is a need to re-address some parts of the Soft Landing Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough
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<p>I believe that proposals since the Soft landing proposal was first proposed (and that wasn't a quick task) along with what has been learned by watching other regions and by some of our own proposals will allow our community to better shape the Soft Landing
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As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the impression that we (community) will not be able to move ahead with this work as per the wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this wonderful idea was supported by the community, there should have been someone to take
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-22 22:09 GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" target="_blank">aalain@trstech.net</a>></span>:<br>
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We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in managing the soft landing update’s process incepted by the 2 policy proposals. We also thank the community for the intensive discussions and contributions.<br>
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We have contributed to the post-Mauritius initiative from the co-chairs on this update to the softlanding and remain available for any further actions required from us.<br>
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