[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Tue Mar 21 04:29:55 UTC 2017

Many thanks Andrew,

>From your comments i can extract two major points.

a) The Status quo remains
b) The authors to draft a new policy taking into consideration areas
in which they have consensus as agreed in the last meeting in
Mauritius.

Given the work that has already been done i would go for option B.
Again it would be good if the authors can find a common footing in the
interest of the Internet Community in Africa. I hope the authors can
make it easier for all of us since we are moving in circles.

Can we then count on the authors?, at least we have heard from Andrew,
what do the others have to say?

Regards

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The co-authors of the original policy stand by what we have originally said.
> In the meeting in Mauritius a clear indication was given by authors of both
> policies that both policies would be withdrawn and a mutual policy would
> then be worked on. Unfortunately following the meeting one side renegaded on
> this and chose to refuse to withdraw. We felt that, in our opinion, this was
> done in bad faith, and felt that it would be impossible to work closely on a
> policy with individuals who refused to show good faith and act on their
> indicated commitments to the community. This is what caused the deadlock
> originally and this is the current status quo.
>
> With regards to the co-chairs working on a policy that combines elements of
> rough consensus - while in theory this sounds like a good idea - at the same
> time I have to raise a big red flag and say that I cannot support this. It
> is the job of the co-chairs of the PDP to gauge consensus. It is not the job
> of the co-chair's to CREATE consensus. Indeed there is a fundamental
> conflict of interest when the individuals who are required to gauge
> consensus will effectively be gauging consensus on their own policy, since
> the moment the elements are combined based on what the belief of rough
> consensus is into another policy, while the elements may have been drafted
> by others in other policies, it is still in effect a new policy, and it is
> untenable to have those that much gauge consensus doing so against their own
> policies.
>
> If this community truly DOES wish a change to the soft landing policy then
> it is incumbent on those that wish that change to go ahead and draft a
> policy that is mutually acceptable. It was clearly demonstrated in Mauritius
> that neither of the current proposals was acceptable, as neither reached
> consensus. At this point the process is clear, either the authors of one of
> the current policies (though one has been formally withdrawn), modify their
> own policies to reach a point of consensus, or a new policy is drafted *by
> the community* that CAN reach that consensus point, or nothing is done and
> the status-quo remains.
>
> What CANNOT happen though is that the co-chairs of the PDP go into policy
> drafting mode - because that creates a situation is untenable conflict of
> interest in gauging of consensus on the new draft.
>
> If the community wishes a change to policy - let the community draft such -
> and let it go through the normal process. If the community is incapable of
> drafting to find common consensus, it stands to reason that there simply IS
> not consensus that change is required and therefore under the rules as
> clearly defined the status quo shall remain.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com]
> Sent: 21 March 2017 06:57
> To: Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
> Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>
> Dear Alan and Co-Chairs,
>
> Many thanks for the summary of the progress made. It is unfortunate that we
> have reached a deadlock, i still hope that the authors can reconsider their
> stands and agree to work together in the Interest of the African Internet
> Community. In the absence of that it is my humble suggestion that we proceed
> as suggested by the co-chairs focusing on incorporating proposals that have
> already been agreed on as well as the ones on which we have rough consensus.
>
> Best Regards
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> We have no opinions in this debate.
>>
>> However, as member of AFRINIC, we would appreciate an workable policy,
>> easy for both technical people as well as management to understand, to
>> implement, at minimum cost both for AFRINIC as well as for member.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 03:25 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Alan. The "version control" snapshot will serve as a
>>> reminder to co-chairs not to fiddle with the document while it is under
>>> consideration.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Dewole.
>>>
>>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
>>> strangeness.
>>>
>>> > On 20 Mar 2017, at 7:55 PM, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 20 Mar 2017, at 22:24, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>>> >> The extracts from discussions till date are at
>>> >> https://goo.gl/AWCCWd and we would like to receive feedback and
>>> >> suggestions from the community over the next 7 days.
>>> >
>>> > For the record, here’s a snapshot in PDF format of the document as
>>> > it exists today.
>>> >
>>> > Alan Barrett
>>> >
>>> > <Soft-landing Making Progress.pdf>
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