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[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

Owen DeLong owen at
Sat Feb 6 21:48:32 UTC 2016

My recommendation, frankly, if you want to have both is to write what
you believe is a good set of criteria for donors and recipients to qualify
to exchange space within the region and then link the appropriate side
of those criteria to an inter-RIR transfer policy such that the qualifications
for the AfriNIC side of any transfer remain identical regardless of whether
the other side of the transfer is within or without the AfriNIC region.


> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at> wrote:
> I totally agree with you Andrew, any transfer policy can not be one
> sided. Your logic is quite sane. Its far more probably that in the
> balance of IPv4 addresses that we'll end up plundering others more
> rather than others plundering us in the AfriNIC region.
> I will be revising my Inter-RIR policy proposal when I have some spare time.
> I will also propose an Intra-RIR transfer policy as well (unless someone
> beats me to it) - so we can do Transfers amongst ourselves within the
> AfriNIC area.
> Both are needed. They should be combines but I think should be initially
> presented individually.
> On 05/02/2016 05:36, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> Owen,
>> And there in lies my exact point.  I cannot see how we can have a policy
>> that is a one way policy that only allows inbound transfers, because I
>> don’t believe the rest of the world will accept such a thing.  At the
>> same time, I know we will need space that only exists off the continent
>> and will need to be transferred in from other RIR’s.  Everyone is so
>> worried about space leaving the continent on mass, but we are
>> forgetting, once we have exhausted what is in the AFRINIC pool, Africa
>> will have the least amount of space of anywhere in the world.  Why on
>> earth would people come and try and BUY space on the secondary market in
>> Africa?  There is almost none to sell and its going to be far easier and
>> probably far cheaper to convince companies elsewhere in the world to
>> sell purely because of the volume of space available elsewhere.
>> However, we also have hundreds of millions of people not yet connected
>> and because of the very low rates of space on the continent, it is us
>> that will have probably the greatest need for space.
>> As I said, we if we extrapolate from the allocation rates of November,
>> December and January combined we were allocating at in excess of 3 /8s a
>> year, and to my knowledge (and I’m open to correction here), no other
>> RIR ever hit those kinds of levels.
>> Rejecting a transfer policy right now in my view would be like a man who
>> has a canteen of water as he starts a venture into the desert, and says
>> to the guys with a water truck, just incase you decide you want a sip of
>> my canteen and I run out, I want a rule that says you can never fill up
>> my canteen so its clear you can’t have any of my water.  Guess what,
>> after a short while the guy with the canteen will run dry, and he will
>> die of thirst.  The guys with the water truck may end up rationing but
>> they will survive.
>> Are we as an African community really going to be that short sighted?
>> Andrew
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at <mailto:owen at>>
>> Date: Thursday, 4 February 2016 at 10:56 PM
>> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at>>
>> Cc: serge ilunga <sergekbk at <mailto:sergekbk at>>,
>> Sander Steffann <sander at <mailto:sander at>>, Sunday
>> Folayan <sfolayan at <mailto:sfolayan at>>, rpd
>> <rpd at <mailto:rpd at>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required
>>> Let me be blunt, I’ve already started trying to figure out just how
>>> much space I may need to get on the secondary market post exhaustion,
>>> for planning purposes.  If I’m right, there simply isn’t enough of it
>>> in Africa to accomplish this.  I am VIOLENTLY opposed to African
>>> companies selling to outside entities, but I am also a realist and
>>> believe we may well end up having to buy from outside entities.
>> I doubt you will be able to permit the latter without allowing the former.
>> Owen
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