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[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

Owen DeLong owen at
Thu Feb 4 04:31:14 UTC 2016

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 14:04 , Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at> wrote:
> On 03/02/2016, Owen DeLong <owen at <mailto:owen at>> wrote:
>>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 06:06 , Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at>
>>> wrote:
>>> Mwendwa,
>>> You say that but history also indicates that there have been significant
>>> issues in certain cases around universities applying for large tracts of
>>> space.  Most of which were resolved at the time, but it was a fairly
>>> complex exercise that at times took long periods of time and a lot of back
>>> and forth that I’m not sure most universities are geared up for.
>>> Sadly, our current policies are such that there is enough ambiguity that
>>> large applications often require explanations which can at times be fairly
>>> difficult to calculate and provide, for example, the issue of wifi usage
>>> concurrency has proved to be a major point of contention, because on a new
>>> wifi deployment its extremely difficult to prove concurrent utilisation
>>> without historic figures.
>> While I did not support the educational policy because I did not believe it
>> appropriate to give special privileges to educational institutions to the
>> detriment of other classes of community members, I would support a policy
>> that generally allowed for a reasonable estimation of concurrent wifi users
>> based on quantified total user base.
> We are a unique market and probably it would have made sense to pass
> the policy give preference to Universities, because as it stands, many
> Universities in the continent will remain with NAT post v4 exhaustion.
> Since Universities are not in the business of always scaling and
> getting to new territories as LIRs are, they are just comfortable with
> NAT, to the detriment of growth of proper IP networks.

Again, I felt that a policy that addressed the problem more generically
was possible. This has nothing to do with unique markets. There are
fair policies and unfair policies and it was possible (even relatively
easy) to write a fair policy that would have solved most of the problem

>>> I to would support large amounts of space being left in the hands of
>>> academia, and it really saddens me that I know of universities that are
>>> still using NAT to push entire campuses through address space that is
>>> smaller than a /28!
>> Yes… This should be fixed to the greatest extent possible while there is
>> still some extent to which it can be fixed.
> If we don't act fast, the sheep may have already set sail.  I don't
> see a flood of requests from Universities in this critical period
> unless we have a way to nudge them, probably do outreach and
> demonstrate the importance of uptake of public v4 and prevent the CGN
> route.

I’m hoping you meant ship rather than sheep as I’ve never known farm
animals to be particularly adept at navigation.


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