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[rpd] New Proposal - "Number Resources Transfer Policy (AFPUB-2015-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"
Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
Wed Nov 4 21:52:59 UTC 2015
On Nov 4, 2015 5:59 PM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> In principle I agree with you Owen with one or two potential caveats.
> I’d say that we can proceed to allow transfers between African Entities
now under this policy.
This proposed policy is clear that it tries to address inter RIR transfer.
It would be prudent to comeup with a new policy for transfer of resources
within Afrinic. That way, we would not be mixing issues.
> In regards to delaying Inter-RIR transfers until the pool is empty, I
would prefer to say until we hit soft landing. There are many cases where
companies will need far more space than they can get post soft-landing and
inter-rir transfers at this point should be allowed to happen once the soft
landing restrictions kick in.
> Just my 2c.
> Andrew Alston
> Group Head of IP Strategy
> Sameer business Park, Block A, Mombasa Road. Nairobi, Kenya
> T: +254 205000000 - M: +254 733 2222 04 - E:
andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com
> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 4 November 2015 at 4:06 PM
> To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, rpd <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] New Proposal - "Number Resources Transfer Policy
> Rather than a unidirectional modification as proposed, I would prefer to
see a modification which delays the implementation of inter-RIR transfers
until the AfriNIC free pool is completely empty.
> In this way, you don’t have the asymmetry (which I will argue in the ARIN
region should not be considered “compatible”), but you remove the risk
which is the primary concern (mining of the AfriNIC free pool for
>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> Hello Colleagues,
>> I would like to echo Andrews comments and support the Policy (with the
>> amendments he has pointed out.) purely from a forwad thinking
>> On 11/4/15, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>>> I for one support this policy, albeit with some modifications, for the
>>> following reasons.
>>> A.) As space depletion accelerates in Africa, we will get to a point
>>> transfer policy that allows for transfers WITHIN Africa comes necessary.
>>> Once the space is depleted a transfer policy will be required to stop
>>> transfers happening outside of policy and hence outside of any control
>>> AfriNIC. Do not doubt they will happen with or without the policy, the
>>> difference is that with the policy, the whois databases and the rest at
>>> least have a vague potential of being kept accurate
>>> B.) While there will be a counter argument that space in AfriNIC will
>>> take an age to deplete, I point out that policy ratification in AfriNIC
>>> takes a LONG time as we go through the iterations. (I point to the soft
>>> landing policy which took YEARS to get ratified)
>>> C.) I do not think that we should base this on African companies
>>> outwards, I’d be quite happy with a modification to this policy that
>>> supported transfer of assets WITHIN the African region between African
>>> players, and prohibits the transfer of space to companies outside of the
>>> region. Keep in mind, that as we currently stand, there is no policy
>>> prohibition on using AfriNIC assigned space off continent (while there
>>> proposal under discussion, this has been rejected twice so far), and
>>> if the receiving entity is African, they can still, provided they can
>>> adequately justify it, use the space where they need to use it.
>>> I do think that an express prohibition on transfers outside of the
>>> (which is NOT the same as a restriction on genuine African entities
>>> their space outside the region for their own customers/purposes) may go
>>> long way to easing concerns raised so far.
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> Andrew Alston
>>> Group Head of IP Strategy
>>> Sameer business Park, Block A, Mombasa Road. Nairobi, Kenya
>>> T: +254 205000000 - M: +254 733 2222 04 - E:
>>> andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com
>>> From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>>> Date: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 at 10:47 AM
>>> To: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>> Subject: [rpd] New Proposal - "Number Resources Transfer Policy
>>> Dear Members,
>>> We have received a new policy Proposal - "Number Resources Transfer
>>> Number Resources Transfer Policy
>>> ID: AFPUB-2015-GEN-001-DRAFT-01
>>> Policy Name: Number Resources Transfer Policy
>>> Submitted: 29 October 2015
>>> Status: Under Discussion
>>> Author: Mark Elkins, mje at posix.co.za<mailto:mje at posix.co.za>,
>>> 1.0 Summary of the Problem Being Addressed by this Policy Proposal:
>>> AFRINIC is the only Regional Internet Registry without a Transfer
>>> the movement of numbering resources - both in and out of the Region.
>>> RIPE NCC and ARIN have compatible Transfer Policies, so it would seem
>>> to be compatible with them.
>>> 2.0 Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem
>>> The Policy solves the issue of an African organisation using space in
>>> another Region. This Proposal currently does not attempt to address
>>> Resources (IPv4 and ASN's) - that is resources that are in the AFRINIC
>>> Region and were acquired before ARIN existed. Legacy Resources may be
>>> out of the AFRINIC region and redeployed freely. They may however be
>>> to the receiving RIR's policies.
>>> 3.0 Proposal:
>>> 3.1 The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4
>>> resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and not
>>> involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.
>>> A. Source entities outside of the AFRINIC region must meet any
>>> defined by the RIR where the source entity holds the registration.
>>> B. Source entities within the AFRINIC region will not be eligible to
>>> any further IPv4 address allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for a
>>> period of 12 months after a transfer approval, or until the exhaustion
>>> AFRINIC's IPv4 space, whichever occurs first. This restriction is
>>> if the Resource is transferred to the same business entity operating in
>>> different region.
>>> C. Source entities within the AFRINIC region must not have received a
>>> transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number resources from
>>> for the 12 months prior to the approval of transfer request. This
>>> restriction excludes Mergers and Acquisitions transfers and Transfers
>>> same business entity in a different region.
>>> D. The minimum transfer size is a /24.
>>> 3.2 - Conditions on recipient of the transfer:
>>> A. The conditions on a recipient outside of the AFRINIC region will be
>>> defined by the policies of the receiving RIR.
>>> B. Recipients within the AFRINIC region will be subject to current
>>> policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.
>>> C. Recipients within the AFRINIC region must demonstrate the need for
>>> a 24-month supply of IPv4 address space.
>>> D. The minimum transfer size is a /24.
>>> 4.0 Version History
>>> 30 Oct 2015 AFPUB-2015-GEN-001-DRAFT-01 posted
>>> Best Regards
>>> Relevant Url:
>>> 1. Policy Development process:
>>> 2. AFRINIC Public policy meeting site:
>>> Barry Macharia & Seun Ojedeji
>>> PDWG Co-Chairs
>>> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
>> Barrack O. Otieno
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