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[members-discuss] [rpd] Privacy breach of nomcom2015's Mailing List

Owen DeLong owen at
Tue Jun 9 15:33:45 UTC 2015

> On Jun 8, 2015, at 03:13 , Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at> wrote:
> Omo
> No need to reason with Owen.
> 1. Nishal who admitted to downloading and sharing the archive is
> employed byone of ARIN board/AC members (Bill) and this is Owen's
> colleague on ARIN board. It is normal for Owen to try to make thing
> look normal here even when they are not.

Jackson, you are factually incorrect here.

1.	Nishal confirmed the ability to subscribe to the list. He did not download
	or share anything related to the list. That was another person who has
	no employment relationship with PCH or Bill Woodcock that I know of.

2.	Bill was not present for or in any way involved in any of this, so I fail
	to see any useful purpose to bringing his name in other than to further
	rumor and speculation in a negative manner.

3.	I am not on the ARIN board. The ARIN Board and AC are quite separate
	bodies with quite separate missions. As a member of the AC, my role
	is more like PDWG Co-Chair in the AfriNIC region. The difference being
	that we have 15 co-chairs and instead of calling them co-chairs of a
	working group, we call them an Advisory Council. OTOH, the ARIN
	board is a direct analogue to the AfriNIC board with roughly the same
	duties, fiduciary responsibilities, etc.

I have no desire to make something abnormal look normal and that is not
what I have said at any step in this process. What I have said is that while
there were several abnormal events, it is my considered opinion upon
evaluation of the facts at hand that these abnormal events are best explained
as human error and lapses in judgment rather than any harmful intent towards
the organization or intent to manipulate the election process.

Indeed, Sander’s initial search for information that lead him to the place where
the list data was disclosed to him was for the purpose of researching some
rumors that were circulating about abnormalities within the nominating

So I am not trying to make anything look normal. I am merely suggesting that
we adhere to the idea “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
explained by error/omission/lapse in judgment”. All of that which has happened
is most definitely adequately explained in this manner and each of the individuals
in question has made a direct statement to the community of the exact nature
of their errors and lapses in judgment.

The question then, is not why I am attempting to make things look normal, for
I am not. The question is why are some working so hard to identify a conspiracy
or nefarious purpose where none appears to actually exist?

You are of course welcome to believe whatever you wish. However, if you truly
believe a conspiracy exists or that anyone in the process had nefarious intent,
then please at least present some evidence on which to base such a conclusion.
So far, none exists and none has been presented.

> 2. Stefan another guy who admit to the issue is chair of RIPE policy
> development.

	Sander Steffan is the one who admitted downloading and sharing
	the information with two board members. 
> Why our own RIR colleague would shamefully act this way remain worrying.

I am sorry to see that you consider my actions in this matter shameful.

I have tried to provide an unbiased account of the facts as I know them.

I have tried (unsuccessfully) to help the community understand what has
happened and move forward.

Yes, I believe that the best way the community can do so is to accept
that this was a series of errors and lapses in judgment, take the lessons
learned and return our focus to more substantive matters. I would not
believe that if I did not also believe that there was a lack of malice in the
actions or events we are discussing.

I know that you and I do not always agree, but I believe I have always
treated you with respect. I have always believed that you were acting
for what you thought were the best interests of the community. It would
never occur to me to attempt to publicly slander your good name or
make an accusation to the contrary. I am offended that you apparently
think that I have some ulterior motive. I have dedicated many years of
service to the internet community as a whole and I have always tried
to act in a manner consistent with the best interests of that community.

AfriNIC and the AfriNIC community hold a special place in my heart and
I would never deliberately violate the trust or the interests of this community.

In short, while you may not agree with what I am saying, I think that accusing
me of participating in some conspiracy against the AfriNIC community is an
unfounded accusation. Unless you have some evidence to offer to support
such an accusation, I believe you owe me an apology.


> Jack
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Omo Oaiya <omo at> wrote:
>> Owen,
>> On 6/7/15 10:10 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> Small correction… He did inform the correct member of the AfriNIC staff
>>> as well as copying the two board members.
>>> I agree he should not have downloaded the data, but there was no impact
>>> to the election. There was no change to the slate of candidates.
>>> We can either continue making mountains out of molehills or we can go
>>> back to the substantive issues that are actually meaningful to the
>>> community.
>>> I vote for the latter.
>>> Owen
>> I vote for the latter too but I am uncomfortable with the way you seem
>> to be holding brief for the fellows concerned.  You are interpreting and
>> providing context as if you were party to this. I am sure the concerned
>> folks can speak for themselves.
>> Someone says he deleted the archive in the unsoicited e-mail he received
>> and didn't read it.  You may believe this because you know and trust him
>> but surely you will understand that others may not.
>> The matter did not have to be raised on the floor either.  I for one
>> Would have found it preferable for the CEO to make full disclosure as
>> soon as the facts were available .... and certainly before he decides he
>> is not going to press charges.
>> You have agreed that it was bad judgement on at least a couple of
>> fronts.  An apology so we move on would help better than this spirited
>> defense.
>> -Omo
>>>> On Jun 7, 2015, at 10:56 , Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at
>>>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I agree the folk could have informed AFRINIC staff. That said, the
>>>> fact is that he informed someone related to AFRINIC who inturn
>>>> informed staff appropriately.
>>>> Overall we can take it as lesson learnt on both sides and we thank god
>>>> for having one of the most successful and community engaging AGMM in
>>>> the history of AFRINIC.
>>>> Regards
>>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>> On 7 Jun 2015 18:49, "Noah Maina" <mainanoa at
>>>> <mailto:mainanoa at>> wrote:
>>>>    On 7 Jun 2015 19:32, "Owen DeLong" <owen at
>>>>    <mailto:owen at>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2015, at 05:35 , Noah Maina <mainanoa at
>>>>    <mailto:mainanoa at>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7 Jun 2015 14:24, "Boubakar Barry" <boubakarbarry at
>>>>    <mailto:boubakarbarry at>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The most odd thing in this is the sharing of the archives
>>>>    with _selected_ Board members. If there were no malicious intent,
>>>>    alerting the CEO would have sufficed.
>>>>>> Of course that was rather odd....they should never have shared
>>>>    anything no matter how bad with the said board members.....
>>>>>> Under normal organisation operational structure, stuff talk to
>>>>    their managers who then talk to the CEO, who in turn has an
>>>>    audience with the directors or the board if need be….
>>>>> The person who obtained the data was not AfriNIC staff. They
>>>>    were an independent member of the community. Given that, how would
>>>>    you fit such a person into that chain of command?
>>>>    They should have obviously reported themselves to the AfriNIC
>>>>    stuff who were on the ground at the time, who would then know what
>>>>    to do and not to the supposed board member...
>>>>    It's obviously all the mailing lists are managed by AfriNIC stuff
>>>>    and not board members....
>>>>    Noah
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