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[members-discuss] [rpd] Privacy breach of nomcom2015's Mailing List

Saul saul at
Tue Jun 9 06:51:37 UTC 2015

I agree, while discussions are important and needed, we need to take 
cognasince that our contribution is constructive, has a point and is backed 
by fact (which is provided).

From: rpd-bounces at [mailto:rpd-bounces at] On Behalf Of 
Seun Ojedeji
Sent: 09 June 2015 07:27 AM
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva; rpd
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [rpd] Privacy breach of nomcom2015's Mailing 

I agree with you Andrew; discussions should not wait till face 2 face and we 
should discuss them as much as possible on the list.
I think that is happening and improving as far as policy is concerned.

Resolution discussion on the other hand is not something that people are 
used to discussing on the list (especially on members list) as they don't 
come often.

That said, I think substantive discussion on the various list will continue 
to improve as the organisation leadership continue to act transparently and 
communicate with the community on status of things. The more we get clear 
view of things, the more likely that our content will be based more on 
substance and facts.

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.

On 9 Jun 2015 05:54, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at 
<mailto:Andrew.Alston at> > wrote:

Hi All,

While I have largely chosen to stay silent in this debate, because I believe 
many of these issues were already resolved at the AGMM, there is one thing I 
would like to comment on.

This has become quite normal. Somebody at the floor of the AGM called the 
entire Afrinic community "a community of mutings" or something like it. And 
he did it full of arrogance and sense of importance.

Let me take a second to clarify what I actually said here.

Far to often when something is brought to the floor of a meeting, people 
want to either complain that it hasn’t been discussed first or that they 
have never seen it.  The reality is, most issues that land on the floor of 
either the PDP or the AGMM have in some form or another been on these lists. 
The comment made here was in reference to the special resolutions that I put 
on the floor, and the people on the floor who stated that the community had 
not discussed them or provided input to them.  This was inaccurate, since 
the special resolutions had been placed on the members list on the 20th of 
May 2015, and the community had chosen not to respond to them or discuss 
them.  I referred to that as “mute mode”, and never said “a community of 

If we choose to stay silent on the lists and only respond when things 
eventually hit the floor of the meeting room, I argue that we have done the 
community a huge disservice and we should castigate ourselves for that, 
rather than complaining we had no chance to comment.  Why do I say this? 
Because the reality is that on the floor we have fairly low representation, 
and in fact in terms of members, less than 10% of members were represented 
on the members side of the room in the AGMM.  By choosing to only discuss 
and debate (and indeed object) to things only in the room, we disenfranchise 
the rest of the member base, and deny them our opinions and their chance to 
agree or rebut.

This is not the first time this issue has come up either.  As I pointed out 
then, it took an incredibly controversial policy going to the floor of the 
PDP in Tanzania to really engender debate, and in the weeks prior to that 
policy going to the floor, the community had almost nothing to say on the 
mailing lists, yet when it came to the floor, there was a longer queue at 
the microphone than anything I have ever seen before or since.

We need to decide, is the only time we have for this organisation and to pay 
attention to the issues when we are away from home and away from our daily 
lives?  Is that the only time we are willing to spare for the organisation 
that provides us resources that are critical to our businesses?  I would 
hope we are more dedicated than that.



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