Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines

Sun Nov 23 13:46:29 UTC 2014

Forgive me community it is not my sincere wish to feed this troll but ...

Mr. Lu "PAY ATTENTION" to how Vladimir presented his contribution and his
concerns to the list. It may guide you to address your concerns with your
allocation.

1. Noticed how he used diplomacy to negotiate unnecessary document requests
for justification for resources.

2. Noticed how he introduced his organisation to the community and how they
intend to contribute to the AfriNIC service region.

If you really beleive you have a case of defamation bring it on.

cheers

K.

On 23 November 2014 at 17:26, Lu <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:

> Hi
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> On 2014年11月23日, at 下午5:14, Kofi ANSA AKUFO <kofi.ansa at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I asked a simple question Lu - organisations usually have publications and
> websites stating products and services. Do we consider such information as
> private?
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> Usually, but not always, and we don't want to explain to you--- no reason
> to telling you any way as you are not our target customer group.
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> You should be thinking about how to hold on to your existing /12 - IMHO
> policy was not well interpreted. Our RIR may be facing financial
> constraints but that is not "justification" for executives to irresponsibly
> dish out /12s.
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> You are accusing Afrinic's taking corruption to give me allocation? If
> that is the case, be prepared for legal responsibility as you are making
> such claim without any supporting evidence in a public space, you are
> subject to defamation law.
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> Aside policy and by-laws AfriNIC has mission and goal statements which
> should also guide its operations and partnership.
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> Of course, and seems you are breaking it by question other member's
> confidential business info in its public mailing list.
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> I stay silence does not means I was fear of such defamation activity in
> the public, I was simply trusting the community for its responsibility to
> respect each and every member of this continent.
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> And it is person like you stop future investment coming to Africa--as just
> mentioned by Vladimir, in which potentially cost millions of job loss,
> while you sitting in front of your comfort desk stoping other Africans
> getting job, I don't think that is the right thing to do for Africa.
>
>  On Nov 23, 2014 4:04 PM, "Lu" <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
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>> Both of you (Jackson and kofi) have no support ground and have no
>> understanding of basic principal of the policy, so for two of you: none of
>> your business! Unless your guys able to passing a policy force such
>> disclosure, I guess you will never know the answer in a legitimate manner.
>> So just stoping asking other people's business in a public mailing list.
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>> > On 2014年11月23日, at 下午12:36, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> > Why is it you have big issue to disclosing your activities? Why they
>> > are so secret yet you ask two full /12??
>> >
>> > What are you hiding?
>> >
>> > Legitimate member in community are concerned because you seem to be
>> > siphoning Africa resources into China. No smoke with no fire.
>> >
>> > You already demonstrated your ability to lie in afrinic election at
>> > djibouti. This reason enough to believe you Lie to afrinic about your
>> > activity to grab two /12. Afrinic is right to be cautious on you.
>> > Yours is special case and board is right also to specially be advise
>> > of you.
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Hi Alan:
>> >>
>> >> I have confirmed it with almost every RIR staff, none RIR board should
>> >> be involved in member's allocation decision, however, following
>> >> sentence is what we receive directly in our ticket with Afrinic:
>> >>
>> >> "In response to your follow-up call yesterday - your request is still
>> >> pending board decision. We
>> >> shall advise you of the same as soon as received."
>> >>
>> >> And for the second part, you simply misunderstand what I said, of
>> >> course we will provide(and we did, our allocation request has been
>> >> pending for 10 months now!) document for Afrinic to review.
>> >>
>> >> I am simply saying what we do and how we use our resource is not
>> >> people in this mailing's business(as people ware asking here what we
>> >> do in this mailing list). We have no obligation as well as no reason
>> >> to answer such question in a public mailing list.
>> >>
>> >>> On 11/23/14, Alan Barrett <apb at cequrux.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Lu Heng wrote:
>> >>>> My allocation has been told that under board decision for past 2
>> month.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not aware of anything in the IPv4
>> >>> allocation policy, (AFPUB-2005-v4-001
>> >>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/126-afpub-2005-v4-001>)
>> >>> that provides for review or decision making by the board.
>> >>>
>> >>>> And for whom ask about how and why we used up our allocation--simple
>> >>>> reply--none of your business.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is very much Afrinic's business to know how an applicant is
>> >>> using or plans to use their address space, so that they can check
>> >>> how much address space is appropriate, and whether policies have
>> >>> been followed.  Policies specifically require applicants to
>> >>> provide documentation of their network plans.
>> >>>
>> >>> For example, see the following parts of AFPUB-2005-v4-001:
>> >>>
>> >>> 6.5 Assignment
>> >>> ... Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented
>> >>> by specific organisations and are not to be sub-assigned to other
>> >>> parties.
>> >>>
>> >>> 7.2 Conflict of goals
>> >>> ... IRs evaluating requests for allocations and assignments must
>> >>> carefully analyze all relevant considerations and must seek to
>> >>> balance the needs of the applicant with the needs of the Internet
>> >>> community as a whole. ...
>> >>>
>> >>> 7.3 Documentation
>> >>> In order to properly evaluate requests, an RIR must carefully
>> >>> examine all relevant documentation relating to the networks in
>> >>> question. Such documentation may include network engineering
>> >>> plans, subnetting plans, descriptions of network topology, and
>> >>> descriptions of network routing plans. All documentation should
>> >>> conform to a consistent standard and any estimates and predictions
>> >>> that are documented must be realistic and justifiable.
>> >>>
>> >>> 8.1 Introduction
>> >>> ... Determination of IP address space allocation size is the
>> >>> responsibility of AFRINIC staff.
>> >>>
>> >>> 9.1 Documentation
>> >>> The information required by AFRINIC to justify an end-user's
>> >>> IP address requirements include addressing needs, network
>> >>> infrastructure and future plans. Such information is required
>> >>> when an LIR is requesting IP space for their end-users at the
>> >>> time of sending in the request. In order to ensure that previous
>> >>> sub-allocation are not duplicated, the current address space usage
>> >>> is also required. This information is essential in making the
>> >>> appropriate sub-allocation approvals, and the level of detail will
>> >>> depend on the size of the request and complexity of the network.
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> If it's an end user assignment, then in
>> >>> addition to the general requirements in
>> >>> AFPUB-2005-v4-001, the requirements in AFPUB-2006-GEN-001
>> >>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/127-afpub-2006-gen-001>
>> >>> also apply.  They include:
>> >>>
>> >>> 4 Additional Assignment
>> >>> ... Requestors must show exactly how previous address assignments
>> >>> have been utilized and must provide appropriate details to verify
>> >>> their one-year growth projection. ...
>> >>>
>> >>> --apb (Alan Barrett)
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >> Kind regards.
>> >> Lu
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