[rpd] AfriNIC policy AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 reject

[Borg]

On 22 October 2014 13:23, H.Lu <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would rather Africa internet remain open and transparent.
>


goal which many people hear share. but don't see how preventing abuse of
address by brokers make internet close and non-transparent


>
> Kind regards
>
> Lu
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> 在 2014年10月22日，下午3:31，Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> 写道：
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>  (Before writing this, I need to state that what follows is NOT written
> in my capacity as an AfriNIC director nor should it be read as portraying
> the views of the AfriNIC board in any way shape or form)
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> Actually Borg,
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> I can concretely demonstrate that the availability of IPv4 addressing can
> have an impact on business investment.
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> Let me give you an example, since this is already in the media.
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> Liquid is planning to invest $200 MILLION in African expansion over the
> next 24 months, this was published here:
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> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/liquid-telecom-to-invest-200-million-in-african-expansion.html
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> While we are dual-stacking **everything** with v4 and v6 as a standard
> rule, like it or not, we still need IPv4 space to do this.  (Without v4
> addressing, there are a number of things we cannot accomplish at the
> moment).
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> This however also raises the debate on the proposed
> AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 policy.  On a personal level (and representing
> Liquid) I oppose this policy, on the grounds that I do not believe it will
> actually serve to protect African interests.  I have long opposed
> geographic restrictions on where space can be used by legitimate African
> entities, for a variety of reasons and will continue to do so.  I do not
> believe that placing arbitrary numbers (be they 10%, 20% or any other
> number) on the percentage of space that can be used in region or out of
> region is a helpful thing to do.  Particularly since none of these policies
> actually contain a proper definition of what constitutes in-region vs
> out-of-region use.  (For example, if I originate a /16 in Africa via a BGP
> network statement or via redistribution, the space was originated in
> Africa, nothing stops me internally using more specifics to keep routing to
> that space out of continent though)
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> I also believe very strongly that large African multi-nationals that are
> expanding both in the African region and outside of the African region
> should be able to get space for ALL their operations irrespective of where
> they are geographically based, since the expansion of these companies does
> benefit Africa as a whole, both in terms of economic growth and in terms of
> African employment to run equipment located off continent).
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> But believe me, coming from an environment where having address space is
> critical to the business, there is a correlation between investment and
> address space, and it can be clearly demonstrated.
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> I do believe that we need to protect the African resources from being
> pillaged by non-African entities and IP Brokers.  I will strongly support
> policy that prevents African resources flowing off continent into the hands
> of those who have absolutely no link to Africa AND where there is no
> benefit (quantitative) to the continent.  I just do not believe at this
> point we have a policy proposal that fulfills these objectives.
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> Thanks
>
>
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> Andrew Alston
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> Andrew Alston
> Head of IP Strategy
> Liquid Telecommunications Limited, 6 New Street Square, London EC4A 3BF
> T: +27 76 219 7933 (ZA) T: +254 733 2222 04 (KE)
> E: andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> -   Skype: symm001
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> *From:* rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net
> <rpd-bounces at afrinic.net>] *On Behalf Of *Borg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:49 AM
> *To:* Victor
> *Cc:* AfriNIC RPD MList.
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] AfriNIC policy AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 reject
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>  Borg le Chevalier
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> On 22 October 2014 09:12, Victor <kc.touching at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  In my opinion, the proposal itself intended to keep the resources within
> the region and may prevent business investment in Africa which is not good
> at all.
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> And this gentlemen is red herring, as ridiculous as it is preposterous.
> Business investment in Afrique that depends on IPv4 addresses??!  It ok
> to protect IPv4 business, but please stop pretending any of this has to do
> with what is good for Afrique.
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