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[rpd] New proposal - "Out-Of-Region Use of AFRINIC Internet Number Resources" (AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01)

Noah Maina mainanoa at
Thu Jul 10 22:35:59 UTC 2014

On 11 July 2014 00:49, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at>

> Errr,
> Owen, for the record.
> My employer is an African multi-national.  How do African companies
> expanding outwards help Africa?  Lets stop for a second and think about
> this.
> Firstly, we need infrastructure in foreign countries for peering, for
> transit routers, for providing circuits to people on the African continent
> who want to reach foreign entities.  Without infrastructure off the
> continent, how exactly do we provide end to end service to other African
> companies looking for things like EoMPLS circuits with the A side in
> Africa and the B side outside of Africa? Or would you rather that we
> played the half circuit game at additional expense to the African consumer?
> Would you rather than African multi-national ISP’s didn’t have
> international points of presence where they could peer off their traffic
> at exchanges internationally and reduce the cost of service provision to
> their african customers?  Would your rather we wait for people to bring
> the content to us at inflated prices rather than going to the source and
> fetching it ourselves?
> All of these things require international infrastructure, it has to be
> numbered, and as you yourself have admitted, V4 is still a major part of
> this.  Of course I can get V6 resources out of region, but the V4
> resources are still necessary and getting those for international
> infrastructure without using AfriNIC resources is not possible right now.
> I might also point out, there are vast tracts of the African continent
> still only served by Satellite, if the Satellite hub is in Europe and the
> customers themselves are in Africa, if I am routing the space to the
> Satellite hub in Europe, where are the resources being used?  Its
> ambigious.
> I might also point out, that large African multi-nationals that are
> expanding also provide a LOT of employment on the continent and the
> expansion off continent helps drive the employment ON the continent (for
> example, NOC’s based in Africa for international networks, that employ
> large numbers of people in Africa, for the betterment of the African
> community)
@Andrew  +++++++1 x1000.  Rest your case, you need not to say more :-) ...I
raise a glass.

> Andrew
IMHO, I don’t support this policy even a bit since it doesn't even take
into consideration the operational reality on the ground. Besides, hardly
20% of the resources obtained from Afrinic are used outside Africa by
entities registering in Africa with operations in Africa mainly for
infrastructure seated outside Africa....

Naked truth, the biggest market for IP now is in Africa and she continues
to develop her Internet!!!!

So if this policy is for restricting number resource usage to a certain %
outside Africa, then where exactly are you going to use them v4 IP's, In
Europe, North America, Asia, where the internet is already developed and
folks are already getting used to v6, not a chance.

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