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[rpd] New proposal - "Out-Of-Region Use of AFRINIC Internet Number Resources" (AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01)

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at
Thu Jul 10 19:26:26 UTC 2014

Hi Bill,

Except for the fact that there are massive African organisations that are
expanding both inwards and outwards.

I use Liquid (my employer as an example).

We operate the largest cross border fiber network in Africa, and operate
our own infrastructure in:

South Africa

And are expanding all the time.  That being said, we also operate points
of presence in London and the UAE, and are growing both inwards and
outwards.  I cannot get space from RIPE, I cannot get space from APNIC, so
pray tell, how is the organisation meant to grow if we cannot use
legitimately applied for AfriNIC space off continent as we continue to
grow a massive multi-national network?

And for the record, everything we do is IPv6 enabled all the way to the
edge - so we make sure we¹re doing our part there as well!


On 7/10/14, 7:47 PM, "Bill Woodcock" <woody at> wrote:

>On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at> wrote:
>> RIRs allocate resources to _organisations_ in their region.
>> if i look at some of the prefixes that i see at african exchange
>>points, i see a fair chunk of "international" space.  good for them, i
>Well, not reallyŠ  We have an area of policy inconsistency between RIRs
>here, and I think it¹s going to cause a problem.
>Looking at ARIN policy, ARIN allocates space for use in the ARIN region.
>If you take ARIN-allocated space and use it out-of-region, you can¹t use
>it in a justification for more space.  That effectively means that using
>it out-of-region means you¹re cutting yourself off from further
>allocations, which effectively precludes doing it in any meaningful
>What I believe I¹m hearing about AfriNIC policy is that it allocates
>space to organizations that are incorporated in Africa, but not to
>networks that operate in Africa.  That leaves a gap in policy, that fails
>to address the needs of networks that operate in Africa.  That in turn
>disincentivizes deployment in Africa.  If I can¹t get addresses from
>other RIRs to deploy in Africa, and I can¹t get addresses from AfriNIC to
>deploy in Africa, how do I deploy in Africa, other than by giving up my
>ability to request more addresses in a different region, which isn¹t
>sustainable either?
>Yes, all this becomes somewhat moot in an IPv6-only future
>economy-of-plenty, but that¹s a ways out, yet.
>                                -Bill

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