[rpd] IPv4 policy on where space is used.

Fri May 16 18:22:13 UTC 2014

This particular one being a good example of a company that has roots in
Africa. For me I don't think it's more about spending more energy in
monitoring how you as a member use IP. It's more of reviewing applicants
membership requirements.

Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 16 May 2014 18:37, "Ben Roberts" <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

>  Speaking as an African multinational...
>
>  We are headquartered in Mauritius and present with IP network  in twelve
> countries in Africa and 2 in Europe. We are also RIPE members also and we
> pay a huge premium in LIR fees to Afrinic so I think I am entitled to use
> my IPs where I jolly well like and will oppose any policy proposal to
> restrict or prevent us from doing so!
>
>  Cheers
> Ben
> Liquid Telecom Group Director of Network Strategy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 16 May 2014, at 18:29, "Stephen Wilcox" <steve.wilcox at ixreach.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2014 18:13, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  sent from Google nexus 4
>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>  On 16 May 2014 16:56, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>> >
>> > I believe this is one of the pains that AFRINIC Hostmasters are trying
>> > to deal with at the moment.
>> >
>>  Yeah and they can only try within the limits of the policy.
>>
>>  >
>> So what if we said that at least 50% of all
>> > number resources had to be for equipment in Africa?
>> >
>>  Hmmm... that's could be an option. Perhaps also be helpful to look at
>> reviewing the requirements that makes an organisation African enough to be
>> consider for resource.
>>
>>  > Should be enough for a truly African ISP to use out of the area.
>> >
>>  Yeah 50% is a fair deal, although the other puzzle could be how to
>> verify this after resource assignment is done ;) hence the reason why
>> further vetting of organisation establishment status and purpose may be
>> needed.
>
>
>  Just playing devil's advocate - but who will do this research and
> maintain it? What if an African multinational is acquired by a non-African
> company, does it have to free its resources? Or the other way around, a
> non-African company buying an African one can they suddenly request huge
> amounts of IP?
>
>
>>  > I'm looking at somehow disallowing an "African" entity from using all
>> > the numbering resources out side of the Afrinic Region....
>> >
>>  Yeah a possibility that I just alluded to above. So the purpose of that
>> African company should be checked. Things like:
>>
>> - What type of service do they provide and are they really services that
>> utilises IP resource on physical infrastructures (such check more
>> applicable to those applying as cloud services organization)
>> - Who are their existing clients
>> -  History of establishment
>> -  Does employed staff and organisation base reflect as being continental.
>> - Possibly a biannual check of resource usage statistics (if it's not a
>> tall order)
>>
> A company complicated enough to need this level of investigation and due
> diligence might well be a large company with a team of lawyers questioning
> how they can release information that may be under NDA. Indeed, how much
> client and contract information is reasonable to disclose before it becomes
> a liability?
>
>
>  I think the more complicated you make the rules, the more loopholes and
> corner cases you create, plus more bureaucracy and red tape. Simple rules
> will scale better..
>
>  Steve
>
>  Those tall checks above may not prevent IP export, but it could ensure
>> some functional provider establishment in Africa.
>>
>> Hopefully we can see some policies proposals in that direction.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Cheers!
>> > > > Regards
>> > > > Steve
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 16 May 2014 15:57, Saul <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Personally I am in favour of keeping our resources regional. I
>> > > think that we
>> > > >> have all been offered large sums of money to get space and then
>> > > sell it off
>> > > >> the continent.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> But then its IP... does it really matter?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On
>> > > Behalf Of
>> > > >> Mark Elkins
>> > > >> Sent: 15 May 2014 09:09 PM
>> > > >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> > > >> Subject: [rpd] IPv4 policy on where space is used.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 21:46 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:
>> > > >> >  ....the resource was going out of the region....
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> As far as I am aware, the current requirement for getting address
>> > > space is
>> > > >> that you are a company properly established (all legal - as such)
>> > > in Africa.
>> > > >> There is currently no policy (except with the last /8) that states
>> > > the
>> > > >> resources you get have to be used in Africa....
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This might be good.... (get rid of all the IPv4, start using IPv6)
>> > > or Bad...
>> > > >> (we are doing *what* with our resources???)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Maybe some policy needs to be designed - how do people feel...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>> > > >> mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
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