[rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Tue May 13 07:28:44 UTC 2014

@Ademola,

jst to complicate matters abit with the following hypothetical case.  I can carry 5 Proxies and still have additional 5votes for the companies of which I am a Director/Owner. Total votes individual cast =10.

walu.
Lesson Learnt: A proxy vote is not necessarily the same as a resource member vote. Or so i think. 

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On Tue, 5/13/14, ademola at ng.lopworks.com <ademola at ng.lopworks.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting
 To: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com>
 Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 10:03 AM

 Dear,

 If it has already been agreed to, I'm sure
 it was well reviewed by your noble selves, then it should be
 5.

 And that implies that an
 individual could vote as many as 5 times while acting as a
 proxy.

 Fair enough except
 any case of abuse is shown.

 Regards, 
 Ademola Osindero 
 CEO/Consulting Director, 
 Lopworks Limited 

 www.lopworks.com
   Original
 Message  
 From: Andrew Alston
 Sent:
 Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:48 AM
 To: ademola at ng.lopworks.com;
 Nii Narku Quaynor
 Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 Subject: RE: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

 The limit on proxies was
 already reviewed and reduced to 5 after the fiasco in
 Tanzania a few elections back.

 This is as defined in the bylaws (I believe
 it's in section 12.12, but I'm open to
 correction).

 Do you propose
 to reduce this still further?

 Thanks

 Andrew

 -----Original Message-----
 From: ademola at ng.lopworks.com
 [mailto:ademola at ng.lopworks.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:40 AM
 To: Andrew Alston; Nii Narku Quaynor
 Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

 Hi All,

 My point is this is easily prone to abuse and
 would lead to Animal Farm situation.

 On Andrew's example of board directorship,
 a Director is allowed to cast a vote "on the board of
 each company he or she is present". That is completely
 different from the director trying to cast a vote on a
 platform including many companies he or she represents. The
 later is the case of Afrinic.

 To be lenient, it is worth reviewing the limit
 on proxy votes as stated by Nii Quaynor.

 Regards,
 Ademola Osindero
 CEO/Consulting Director,
 Lopworks Limited

 www.lopworks.com
 Original
 Message
 From: Andrew Alston
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:22 AM
 To: Nii Narku Quaynor; ademola at ng.lopworks.com
 Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

 Form my perspective, its a
 completely different issue.

 People wearing different hats is part of life,
 and part of standard business. Let me give you an
 example:

 An individual
 holds directorships on multiple boards (this is very common
 in business, and I can point to several examples).

 That individual has the right
 to vote within the board structures of each entity that he
 represents. Same thing.

 Or,
 to put this another way, when an individual votes at the
 AfriNIC elections, he does not vote as himself, he votes as
 a member. If the member chooses to designate him the right
 to vote, that is their right as member. To restrict an
 individual from representing multiple organisations would be
 equivalent to saying, if you¹re a director of one
 organisation, you cannot hold a directorship in another. If
 this were to happen, it might be noted that this would
 potentially exclude a lot of people from current and past
 boards who do hold directorships in other organisations.

 As stated by Ademola, one
 voice, one vote. The only thing is, it is still one voice
 one vote, where one voice = ONE MEMBER, the people actually
 costing the votes are the members, NOT the individual who is
 merely the instrument through which the members voice is
 heard.

 That¹s my opinion
 anyway

 Andrew

 On 5/13/14,
 8:45 AM, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com>
 wrote:

 >Just curious.
 How different is this multi hat different from holding
 >proxy? I recall Afrinic has a limit on
 proxy?
 >
 >> On May
 13, 2014, at 0:20, ademola at ng.lopworks.com
 wrote:
 >>
 >>
 What I find rather absurd is one person having multiple
 votes. What
 >>kind of election is
 that? It should be one voice one vote and that
 >>should mean one individual one vote.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >> Ademola Osindero
 >> CEO/Consulting Director,
 >> Lopworks Limited
 >>
 >>
 www.lopworks.com
 >> Original
 Message
 >> From: Owen DeLong
 >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:14 PM
 >> To: ademola at ng.lopworks.com
 >> Cc: mje at posix.co.za; rpd at afrinic.net
 >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about
 e-voting
 >>
 >>
 I¹m sorry, but I think that is absurd. All it accomplishes
 is to
 >>force organizations to
 scramble trying to find additional individuals
 >>to cast their votes. It serves
 absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever, IMHO.
 >>
 >> Owen
 >>
 >>> On May
 12, 2014, at 3:03 PM, ademola at ng.lopworks.com
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>> One individual one vote,
 irrespective of how many member
 >>>organizations you are affiliated
 to. Once an individual's identity is
 >>>associated with a member, then the
 person will cast vote for only
 >>>that member and no other member.
 >>>
 >>>
 Regards,
 >>> Ademola Osindero
 >>> CEO/Consulting Director,
 >>> Lopworks Limited
 >>>
 >>>
 www.lopworks.com
 >>> Original
 Message
 >>> From: Owen DeLong
 >>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:58
 PM
 >>> To: mje at posix.co.za
 >>> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [rpd] Discussion
 about e-voting
 >>>
 >>>>> 2. Going forward IMHO I
 think we should discouraged multiple
 >>>>>voting by an individual for
 different members since the
 >>>>>probability of voting
 differently is low and this only goes to
 >>>>>increase votes across one
 side only. A "polished form" of election
 >>>>>rigging. I know some will
 argue one can still like gin with
 >>>>>different credentials and
 vote one sided but then :)
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Could someone from the
 community enlighten me on this please.
 >>>
 >>> To
 echo what Mark said in slightly less confrontational
 languageŠ
 >>>
 >>> One member, one vote. Each member
 should be able to choose who casts
 >>>the vote on behalf of that member.
 I see nothing wrong with members
 >>>who wish to have the same person
 represent their interests doing so.
 >>>It is not election rigging if 25
 different member organizations all
 >>>select the same person to cast
 votes on their behalf. Presumably each
 >>>member organization is capable of
 choosing a voting representative
 >>>who will vote in a manner
 consistent with their desires and
 >>>interests. Likely if they were each
 forced to choose a different
 >>>person in order to avoid being
 disenfranchised as you propose, you
 >>>would simply see a larger group of
 voters who are potentially less
 >>>informed and less motivated. I do
 not think that would be beneficial
 >>>to AfriNIC, to the community, nor
 to the members.
 >>>
 >>> It seems to me that this is not in
 any way equivalent to stuffing
 >>>the ballot box or rigging the
 election. If those organizations all
 >>>pick the same person to represent
 them, either they trust that person
 >>>to share their ideals/needs/wants
 or they trust that person to vote
 >>>as they instruct on their behalf.
 In either case, that person is
 >>>legitimately exercising the vote
 designated by the member
 >>>organization on behalf of each
 member organization.
 >>>
 >>> Owen
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
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