[rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Tue May 13 07:03:26 UTC 2014

Dear,

If it has already been agreed to, I'm sure it was well reviewed by your noble selves, then it should be 5.

And that implies that an individual could vote as many as 5 times while acting as a proxy.

Fair enough except any case of abuse is shown.

Regards, 
Ademola Osindero 
CEO/Consulting Director, 
Lopworks Limited 

www.lopworks.com
  Original Message  
From: Andrew Alston
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:48 AM
To: ademola at ng.lopworks.com; Nii Narku Quaynor
Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: RE: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

The limit on proxies was already reviewed and reduced to 5 after the fiasco in Tanzania a few elections back.

This is as defined in the bylaws (I believe it's in section 12.12, but I'm open to correction).

Do you propose to reduce this still further?

Thanks

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: ademola at ng.lopworks.com [mailto:ademola at ng.lopworks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:40 AM
To: Andrew Alston; Nii Narku Quaynor
Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Hi All,

My point is this is easily prone to abuse and would lead to Animal Farm situation.

On Andrew's example of board directorship, a Director is allowed to cast a vote "on the board of each company he or she is present". That is completely different from the director trying to cast a vote on a platform including many companies he or she represents. The later is the case of Afrinic.

To be lenient, it is worth reviewing the limit on proxy votes as stated by Nii Quaynor.

Regards,
Ademola Osindero
CEO/Consulting Director,
Lopworks Limited

www.lopworks.com
Original Message
From: Andrew Alston
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:22 AM
To: Nii Narku Quaynor; ademola at ng.lopworks.com
Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Form my perspective, its a completely different issue.

People wearing different hats is part of life, and part of standard business. Let me give you an example:

An individual holds directorships on multiple boards (this is very common in business, and I can point to several examples).

That individual has the right to vote within the board structures of each entity that he represents. Same thing.

Or, to put this another way, when an individual votes at the AfriNIC elections, he does not vote as himself, he votes as a member. If the member chooses to designate him the right to vote, that is their right as member. To restrict an individual from representing multiple organisations would be equivalent to saying, if you¹re a director of one organisation, you cannot hold a directorship in another. If this were to happen, it might be noted that this would potentially exclude a lot of people from current and past boards who do hold directorships in other organisations.

As stated by Ademola, one voice, one vote. The only thing is, it is still one voice one vote, where one voice = ONE MEMBER, the people actually costing the votes are the members, NOT the individual who is merely the instrument through which the members voice is heard.

That¹s my opinion anyway

Andrew

On 5/13/14, 8:45 AM, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:

>Just curious. How different is this multi hat different from holding
>proxy? I recall Afrinic has a limit on proxy?
>
>> On May 13, 2014, at 0:20, ademola at ng.lopworks.com wrote:
>>
>> What I find rather absurd is one person having multiple votes. What
>>kind of election is that? It should be one voice one vote and that
>>should mean one individual one vote.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ademola Osindero
>> CEO/Consulting Director,
>> Lopworks Limited
>>
>> www.lopworks.com
>> Original Message
>> From: Owen DeLong
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:14 PM
>> To: ademola at ng.lopworks.com
>> Cc: mje at posix.co.za; rpd at afrinic.net
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting
>>
>> I¹m sorry, but I think that is absurd. All it accomplishes is to
>>force organizations to scramble trying to find additional individuals
>>to cast their votes. It serves absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever, IMHO.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>> On May 12, 2014, at 3:03 PM, ademola at ng.lopworks.com wrote:
>>>
>>> One individual one vote, irrespective of how many member
>>>organizations you are affiliated to. Once an individual's identity is
>>>associated with a member, then the person will cast vote for only
>>>that member and no other member.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ademola Osindero
>>> CEO/Consulting Director,
>>> Lopworks Limited
>>>
>>> www.lopworks.com
>>> Original Message
>>> From: Owen DeLong
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:58 PM
>>> To: mje at posix.co.za
>>> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [rpd] Discussion about e-voting
>>>
>>>>> 2. Going forward IMHO I think we should discouraged multiple
>>>>>voting by an individual for different members since the
>>>>>probability of voting differently is low and this only goes to
>>>>>increase votes across one side only. A "polished form" of election
>>>>>rigging. I know some will argue one can still like gin with
>>>>>different credentials and vote one sided but then :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Could someone from the community enlighten me on this please.
>>>
>>> To echo what Mark said in slightly less confrontational languageŠ
>>>
>>> One member, one vote. Each member should be able to choose who casts
>>>the vote on behalf of that member. I see nothing wrong with members
>>>who wish to have the same person represent their interests doing so.
>>>It is not election rigging if 25 different member organizations all
>>>select the same person to cast votes on their behalf. Presumably each
>>>member organization is capable of choosing a voting representative
>>>who will vote in a manner consistent with their desires and
>>>interests. Likely if they were each forced to choose a different
>>>person in order to avoid being disenfranchised as you propose, you
>>>would simply see a larger group of voters who are potentially less
>>>informed and less motivated. I do not think that would be beneficial
>>>to AfriNIC, to the community, nor to the members.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that this is not in any way equivalent to stuffing
>>>the ballot box or rigging the election. If those organizations all
>>>pick the same person to represent them, either they trust that person
>>>to share their ideals/needs/wants or they trust that person to vote
>>>as they instruct on their behalf. In either case, that person is
>>>legitimately exercising the vote designated by the member
>>>organization on behalf of each member organization.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
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