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[rpd] Fwd: Discussion about e-voting

Mark Elkins mje at
Mon May 12 18:36:21 UTC 2014

On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 20:54 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:
> Mark
> Thanks for pointing out the voting procedure for individuals with
> multiple votes.

My pleasure. I hope I do not come over as being too heavy handed. I've
been around a while.
> What I am driving at is the integrity of the votes cast and how it
> fairly represents the diverse community.

I believe that the Elections and build-up processes that AFRINIC has are
good. AFRINIC really does a pretty darn good job. I believe that as
AFRINIC grows more towards a fully e-vote system, the integrity will
improve though I should add I'm not aware of there ever having been a
voting irregularity from the aspect of AFRINIC staff or systems. I would
though personally miss the Paper Ballots and having the Staff from
Visiting RAR's doing the counting... 
> Member entities should be encouraged as much as possible to
> participate in the election process as well as being ptesent in
> meetings instead of encouraging proxies be it they understand "AFRINIC
> politics" or NOT to vote for multiple representatives.

AFRINIC does stream most of the events - so its possible to be
"included" without being physically there. A proxy (or preferably
e-vote) is at least a sign of interest. I'd personally love to see all
members vote.

> I believe the community can do better by exploring how to map entities
> eligible to vote to the electoral system to involve the diverse
> community.

Go look at:
At time of writing, we have 738 resource members who can vote (those in
Good Standing).

This e-mail written from my personal viewpoint.

> cheers
> Kofi.
> On May 12, 2014 7:55 PM, "Mark Elkins" <mje at> wrote:
>         On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 18:42 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:
>         > Dear All
>         >
>         > 1. I am currently curious how individuals representing more
>         than one
>         > registered and / or resource member currently proceeds to
>         casting
>         > votes online.
>         I have posted on this subject a few postings ago....
>         I am perhaps a perfect example of this scenario.
>         > Does the person login with the same nic-handle or different
>         > nic-handles to cast multiple votes respectively?
>         The same NIC handle and Password to the same account.
>         Once in, there is a drop-down box to allow the representative
>         (me, in
>         this case) to 'switch' to which ever entity I need to
>         represent or
>         manage.
>         This is a very convenient way of managing different entities.
>         > If by nic-handle wouldn't it be easy for voters to be
>         identified by
>         > the entities the represent (e.g. organisation ids) at least
>         as a
>         > secondary check prior to login to vote.
>         Generally, it is the entity that is the Member, not the person
>         with the
>         NIC-Handle.. more correctly, it is the entity's voting
>         representative
>         who can vote. There may be more than one person per entity who
>         is
>         enabled to use that privilege, but there is only one vote per
>         entity,
>         for example "Resource Member".
>         > I ask this because this will facilitate implementation of
>         dispensing
>         > machine for paper ballot sheets for those not able to
>         exercise
>         > e-voting based on logic and eliminate ending one voting
>         option before
>         > the other as well as human errors. Obviously NOT in the
>         coming 2014
>         > elections but later.
>         > 2. Going forward IMHO I think we should discouraged multiple
>         voting by
>         > an individual for different members since the probability of
>         voting
>         > differently is low and this only goes to increase votes
>         across one
>         > side only. A "polished form" of election rigging. I know
>         some will
>         > argue one can still like gin with different credentials and
>         vote one
>         > sided but then :)
>         >
>         > Could someone from the community enlighten me on this
>         please.
>         I'm a Director of multiple, independent companies each with
>         their own
>         resources and each members of AFRINIC in their own right. My
>         fellow
>         Directors may prefer me to do all the voting because I
>         understand a fair
>         amount of the 'Politics' of AFRINIC. Are you suggesting I
>         should not be
>         allowed? That will not make them happy.
>         Board Members have a Vote. If they also represent a resource
>         Member, are
>         you going to disenfranchise them that direct resource vote???
>         As you almost suggested, all I need to do then is sit down
>         with various
>         collogues and have them login to my-afrinic and cast their
>         vote
>         according to my suggestions.
>         Your suggestion will achieve inconvenience.
>         Simply creating extra NIC-Handles should not work as AFRINIC
>         requires
>         the official Identity of everyone who wishes to use the
>         e-voting
>         system.
>         Posted on my own behalf - representing multiple AFRINIC
>         resource
>         members.
>         > Kofi

Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
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