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[AFRINIC-rpd] IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment proposal

Andrew Alston aa at
Wed Sep 11 12:17:09 UTC 2013

On 2013/09/11 3:44 PM, "madhvi Gokool" <madhvi at> wrote:

>Hello Andrew
>AFRINIC has not refused IP address space to AFRICAN organisations with
>infrastructure based within its service region and customers outside the

Irrespective of where the infrastructure is, doesn't really matter.
Current policy says that the organisation has to be in Africa and be an
African organisation.  Under strict interpretation of current policy, an
organisation can have a single router in Africa, route an entire /16 over
a line outta that router to Europe, use all the space in Europe, including
originating it, and so long as they are a registered African organisation
that is a legal entity, have signed the RSA etc, the allocation is legit
from my reading of the policy.

They do not NEED infrastructure in Africa under current policy, and if you
dispute this, again, I ask you to please show me why you do in terms of


>On 9/11/13 1:20 PM, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> Hi Madhvi,
>> Irrespective of my last statements about how nothing in AfriNIC policy
>> prevents space being assigned off continent.  It would seem at first
>> glance that AfriNIC has actually been assigning space off continent
>> anyway, specifically in the case of a particular /12.  While I believe
>> this is in line with current policy, it does run contrary to the
>> statements you were making, and hence I want to query this and get a
>> statement from AfriNIC about this.
>> Looking at  This space by AfriNIC database records is
>> assigned to a Chinese company care of a company registered in the
>> Seychelles.
>> The phone numbers on it was Chinese Area code.
>> The Email contact domain is registered to a Chinese entity via a Dutch
>> entity.
>> The contact numbers listed in the database for the Seychelles company
>> dutch.
>> So, I'd like to know, was this a assignment simply transferred from
>> another database or was it assigned by AfriNIC, and if so when.
>> (Considering the other RIR transfers were done years ago, and the
>> dates on the email address domain show a creation data of the 6th of
>> 2010, this raises questions).
>> Because what we are seeing with this, seems to be fly in the face of
>> you have stated below, albeit in line with policy.  I will be the first
>> state though, the database can be misleading and the information
>> inaccurate and tells far from a complete story, however, if there are
>> leaving the continent as it would appear on this, I'm sure everyone on
>> this list would like to know about it.
>> Hence, can we please get some explanation on this one?
>> Thanks
>> Andrew
>> On 2013/09/11 2:25 PM, "madhvi Gokool" <madhvi at> wrote:
>>> Dear Colleagues
>>> Please find below my comments regarding the above post on this mailing
>>> list .
>>> Registration Services has observed that most members requesting for
>>> additional resources are not fully policy compliant at the time of
>>> request submission for different reasons(mainly when it comes to
>>> registering assignments in the whois DB). Usually the hostmasters
>>> and coach them in the process of properly registering their used
>>> resources and generally the outcome has been positive.
>>> During request evaluation, AFRINIC hostmasters verify the assignments
>>> registered by the member in the whois database to determine the usage
>>> ratio and ensure non-overlapping assignment etcŠ]. Due to the nature of
>>> the business of some members, they register the whole pool of their IP
>>> allocation as a single assignment. In this case, hostmasters request
>>> either :-
>>> a) READ-ONLY/ temporary access toany monitoring system the members have
>>> so that they can view the concurrent sessions during peak hours & also
>>> the historical data/growthor
>>> b) a video conference where member can show them the live graphs. The
>>> LIRs get to make accurate projections based on their average growth
>>> as well & receive allocations that will meet their needs for the next
>>> months.
>>> Hostmasters are aware of the sensitive nature of the information that
>>> shared with them during the evaluation process. A lot of LIR members
>>> have security policies in place and we respect that. In the majority of
>>> the requests, our members demonstrate how the current allocations are
>>> being used (valid assignments) via remote sessions e.g webex or limited
>>> duration remote sessions during which hostmasters view the statistics
>>> and "coach" the members into submitting the snapshots/graphs that will
>>> provide justification to their request.
>>> If the LIRs don't have such a system in place, they even propose
>>> alternatives in which they could show that the IP addresses are in use
>>> and AFRINIC collaborated with them & accepted them. The results have
>>> been positive in these cases as well.
>>> Instead of rejecting requests for non-compliance with the policies, the
>>> hostmasters have adopted a "teach and approve" approach to educate the
>>> members into how they can manage their IP resources and also to make
>>> their future requests as painless as possible.
>>> In the case of this particular post on the mailing list, the
>>> have persevered in encouraging the member to comply with the AFRINIC
>>> policies.
>>> AFRINIC has again received a request in which an LIR located in its
>>> service region has ISPs incorporated outside the AFRINIC service region
>>> as customers and the majority of the allocations are assigned to these
>>> customers' customers.
>>> It so happens that I presented a policy implementation experience
>>> during the most recent AIS meeting in Lusaka in which I elaborated on
>>> the issues that Registration Services at AFRINIC encountered including
>>> similar to this and tried its best to overcome. The presentation is
>>> available at the link below and we at AFRINIC hope that the community
>>> will address them & come will clear answers to them.
>>> If you have any further queries regarding the policy implementation
>>> report, please feel free to post them on the rpd list.
>>> lementation-report.pdf
>>> Regards
>>> Madhvi
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Madhvi Gokool                          Tel:   +230 403 51 00
>>> Registration Service Manager           Sip: madhvi at
>>> (E): madhvi at
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>Madhvi Gokool                          Tel:   +230 403 51 00
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