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[AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions

Andrew Alston alston.networks at
Wed Jun 26 14:03:46 UTC 2013

Errr McTim,

Sorry, but how exactly do you graph concurrency IP utilisation on a network
that has no IP's to put on the network?  Or are you proposing that campuses
deploy infrastructure on NAT and then convert later after they have used the
NAT statistics to justify IP address space, creating large amounts of work
and complex migration and deployment processes when there is already a
severe and acknowledged lack of skill in the region?  This is a chicken and
egg approach, if you can document the number of addresses you are using, you
probably don't need addresses, UNLESS you are already running masses of NAT.

This argument is contraindicated anywhere where campuses are deploying new
infrastructure and that is the exact situation we find ourselves in with the
less well established institutions who we are attempting to help with this
policy.  Again I repeat, the larger more financially wealthy institutions
can already provide the documentation needed, as was demonstrated in the
case of the universities who got large allocations last year.  The ones who
need this policy can't on the other hand.


From:  McTim <dogwallah at>
Date:  Wednesday 26 June 2013 3:55 PM
To:  Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at>
Cc:  <rpd at>
Subject:  Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at> wrote:
> Badru,
> With some HEI's adopting BYOD and students are coming in with multiple
> portable devices there is need to consider such devices that are actually not
> owned by the HEI but are used by students. If there is an easier way other
> than student population then no problem.

It strikes me that the easiest way is for the HEI to show usage of IPs is
via MRTG or other netmon tools.

A decade ago, I was a RIR hostmaster, and a simple way for us to see usage
was to have access to MRTG stats of IPs in use.

This may be a solution to the problem, BYOD or not.


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