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[AFRINIC-rpd] Fwd: [AFRINIC-announce] AFRINIC Response to Government Calls for an Arab RIR

Victor Ndonnang ndonnang at
Wed Feb 27 06:55:24 UTC 2013

Victor Ndonnang
On 26/02/2013 15:27, Mouhamet Diop wrote:
> Hello Dear All,
> McTim raised one issue. But as an ecosystem, we need to thing globally 
> what will happen to the existing system if we start implementing at a 
> smaller level the fragmentation of the IP management system.
> We need also to discuss this as a prism with different angles 
> (technical, management, geographical, organisation, institutional 
> sustainability,  etc.).
> While i understand that this is a legitimate need and raisonnable 
> request and demand to have a RIR for the Arab Region, if we follow the 
> trend, we will execute and implement the ITU recommendation (PP10 - 
> Plenipotentiary resolutions) of the Management of IP blocks with 
> countries and regions levels.
> Because i see other requests coming all along the line , China, India, 
> might or can also say that they represent by the size of their 
> population , a raisonnable RIR, and Australia and/or Russia will raise 
> the same issue regarding he size of the country.
> And this is exactly what we call "Open the Boite of Pandore". It will 
> be the beginning of the end for the Management system as we see it and 
> as we know it.
> I give less than a year, 12 months for a predictable and happy end to 
> the the Global RIR system  if we follow that path.
> Maybe it is or it might be a natural or unavoidable evolution way for 
> the management of the Critical Resources ?!!!
> But the consequences of such approval are not predictable at that stage.
> Cheers.
> Mouhamet Diop
> 2013/2/26 McTim <dogwallah at <mailto:dogwallah at>>
>     Dear all,
>     I would urge you to all read ICP-2, the link that is included in
>     this mail.
>     The key phrase in the document (to me at least) is:
>     "The proposed RIR must operate internationally in a large
>     geographical region of approximately continental size."
>     Does the MENA region meet this criteria?
>     There are of course other criteria to be met, but this one is
>     crucial to my mind.
>     -- 
>     Cheers,
>     McTim
>     "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
>     A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     From: *Babusha Radhakissoon* <babusha at
>     <mailto:babusha at>>
>     Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM
>     Subject: [AFRINIC-announce] AFRINIC Response to Government Calls
>     for an Arab RIR
>     To: announce at <mailto:announce at>
>     Over the past weeks and following on from talks at last year's ITU
>     WTSA and WCIT events, both AFRINIC and the RIPE NCC have been
>     asked to participate in discussions concerning the possibility of
>     establishing a new Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for the
>     Arabic-speaking community.
>     In the spirit of open community discussion both AFRINIC and the
>     RIPE NCC felt that it was essential that we bring this to the
>     attention of our members and community.
>     It is imperative to note that these discussions have not in any
>     way been instigated by the management or staff of either AFRINIC
>     or the RIPE NCC. The matter has been raised and promoted by
>     representatives of certain governments in the Arab community.
>     AFRINIC is proud to serve the needs of its members in Arab
>     speaking states, in Northern Africa and believes that the existing
>     system can meet the needs of a growing membership from the region.
>     Through its structure AFRINIC also allows the region to be well
>     represented in its governing Board and has held several members
>     meeting in the region since its creation in 2005.
>     As you are all aware, an RIR provides a range of services,
>     including managing its service region's Internet number resources
>     (IPv4, IPv6 and ASNs), maintaining proper records of all registry
>     activities in a publicly accessible database (whois),as well as
>     capacity building and training on use of these resources. RIRs
>     also provide general support for regional Internet Infrastructure,
>     and facilitate community discussion and engagement. AFRINIC has
>     played a vital role in unifying the policies that govern the
>     entire Africa/Indian Ocean region and by lowering the entry
>     barrier for all African operators to obtain their own Internet
>     Number Resources has enabled smaller operators in the region to
>     grow and develop.
>     AFRINIC has also contributed to forums including the African
>     Network Operators Group (AFNOG), the African Top Level Domain
>     Association (AFTLD) as well as the Arab, North African and African
>     Internet Governance Forums. Through our involvement with these
>     groups, we have supported the growth of the local industry and the
>     development of an active professional community within the
>     region.For example, AFRINIC's first IPv6 training forum took place
>     in Sudan and since then we have had thirteen (13) workshops in
>     North Africa, a sub region that has 2 representatives elected on
>     AFRINIC's board. AFRINIC also has part of its Disaster Recovery
>     based in Egypt.
>     We have been particularly excited to contribute to the development
>     of forums including the Middle East Network Operators Group
>     (MENOG) and the newly Middle East Peering Forum where most
>     northern African countries participate. Through our involvement
>     with these groups, we have supported the growth of the local
>     industry and the development of an active professional community
>     within the region.
>     RIRs are community-governed organisations. If the
>     multi-stakeholder Internet community in the Arab community feels
>     that there is a need to establish a new RIR both AFRINIC and RIPE
>     will be happy to support this development appropriately. There are
>     steps, via the open, bottom-up policy development process, to
>     facilitate this. ICP-2, "Criteria for Establishment of New
>     Regional Internet Registries", is a global policy, approved
>     through consensus by the communities from all the existing RIRs,
>     which sets out this process:
>     This, like all RIR policies, was the result of a "bottom-up"
>     policy development, based on the premise that those who use
>     Internet number resources and have a stake in the Internet,
>     including actors from civil society, business, the technical
>     community, government and law enforcement agencies (LEAs), should
>     take the lead in developing policies relating to the management of
>     those resources.
>     "Top-down" policies developed without the participation of those
>     who operate the Internet carry the risk of significant unintended
>     consequences for the Internet and its users.
>     It is vital that the Internet technical community has a voice in
>     deciding such an important issue. We encourage community members
>     to raise any questions or issues on the AFRINIC mailing lists, or
>     to email AFRINIC directly by replying to this email. We are also
>     happy to assist anyone wishing to raise this issue at upcoming
>     events such as MENOG 12 (5-14 March), the AFRINIC mini IG event in
>     Tunisia in April or the AFRINIC meeting in Lusaka 9-21 June 2013.
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