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    Victor Ndonnang<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2013 15:27, Mouhamet Diop
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALUGNro9oNDn7C+JZfn5UKhnLj8PmoAJftQiBTffiygY=AsBNQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Hello Dear All,
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      <div>McTim raised one issue. But as an ecosystem, we need to thing
        globally what will happen to the existing system if we start
        implementing at a smaller level the fragmentation of the IP
        management system.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>We need also to discuss this as a prism with different angles
        (technical, management, geographical, organisation,
        institutional sustainability,  etc.).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>While i understand that this is a legitimate need and
        raisonnable request and demand to have a RIR for the Arab
        Region, if we follow the trend, we will execute and implement
        the ITU recommendation (PP10 - Plenipotentiary resolutions) of
        the Management of IP blocks with countries and regions levels.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Because i see other requests coming all along the line ,
        China, India, might or can also say that they represent by the
        size of their population , a raisonnable RIR, and Australia
        and/or Russia will raise the same issue regarding he size of the
        country.</div>
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      </div>
      <div>And this is exactly what we call "Open the Boite of Pandore".
        It will be the beginning of the end for the Management system as
        we see it and as we know it.</div>
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      </div>
      <div>I give less than a year, 12 months for a predictable and
        happy end to the the Global RIR system  if we follow that path.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Maybe it is or it might be a natural or unavoidable evolution
        way for the management of the Critical Resources ?!!! </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>But the consequences of such approval are not predictable at
        that stage.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Cheers.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Mouhamet Diop  </div>
      <div><br>
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      <div><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/26 McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"
              target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,
            <div><br>
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            <div>I would urge you to all read ICP-2, the link that is
              included in this mail.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>The key phrase in the document (to me at least) is:  </div>
            <div><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)">"The
                proposed </span><abbr title="Regional Internet Registry"
style="border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)">RIR</abbr><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)"> must
                operate internationally in a large geographical region
                of approximately continental size."</span></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><font face="Arial, Heveltica, sans-serif"
                color="#555555"><span
                  style="font-size:15.333333015441895px;line-height:21.72222137451172px">Does
                  the MENA region meet this criteria?</span></font></div>
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                </span></font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial, Heveltica, sans-serif"
                color="#555555"><span
                  style="font-size:15.333333015441895px;line-height:21.72222137451172px">There
                  are of course other criteria to be met, but this one
                  is crucial to my mind.</span></font></div>
            <div><br>
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            <div>-- <br>
              Cheers,<br>
              <br>
              McTim<br>
              "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
              it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel</div>
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                  <div class="h5">---------- Forwarded message
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                    From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Babusha
                      Radhakissoon</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:babusha@afrinic.net"
                        target="_blank">babusha@afrinic.net</a>></span><br>
                    Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM<br>
                    Subject: [AFRINIC-announce] AFRINIC Response to
                    Government Calls for an Arab RIR<br>
                    To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:announce@afrinic.net" target="_blank">announce@afrinic.net</a><br>
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                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">Over the
                            past weeks and following on from talks at
                            last year's ITU WTSA and WCIT events, both
                            AFRINIC and the RIPE NCC have been asked to
                            participate in discussions concerning the
                            possibility of establishing a new Regional
                            Internet Registry (RIR) for the
                            Arabic-speaking community.</span></font></p>
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                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">In the
                            spirit of open community discussion both
                            AFRINIC and the RIPE NCC felt that it was
                            essential that we bring this to the
                            attention of our members and community.</span></font></p>
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                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">It is
                            imperative to note that these discussions
                            have not in any way been instigated by the
                            management or staff of either AFRINIC or the
                            RIPE NCC. The matter has been raised and
                            promoted by representatives of certain
                            governments in the Arab community.</span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">AFRINIC
                            is proud to serve the needs of its members
                            in Arab speaking states, in Northern Africa
                            and believes that the existing system can
                            meet the needs of a growing membership from
                            the region. Through its structure AFRINIC
                            also allows the region to be well
                            represented in its governing Board and has
                            held several members meeting in the region
                            since its creation in 2005.</span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
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                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">As you
                            are all aware, an RIR provides a range of
                            services, including managing its service
                            region’s Internet number resources (IPv4,
                            IPv6 and ASNs), maintaining proper records
                            of all registry activities in a publicly
                            accessible database (whois),</span><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">as well
                            as capacity building and training on use of
                            these resources. RIRs also provide general
                            support for regional Internet
                            Infrastructure, and facilitate community
                            discussion and engagement. AFRINIC has
                            played a vital role in unifying the policies
                            that govern the entire Africa/Indian Ocean
                            region and by lowering the entry barrier for
                            all African operators to obtain their own
                            Internet Number Resources has enabled
                            smaller operators in the region to grow and
                            develop.</span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">AFRINIC
                            has also contributed to forums including the
                            African Network Operators Group (AFNOG), the
                            African Top Level Domain Association (AFTLD)
                            as well as the Arab, North African and
                            African Internet Governance Forums. Through
                            our involvement with these groups, we have
                            supported the growth of the local industry
                            and the development of an active
                            professional community within the region.<span> 
                            </span>For example, AFRINIC’s first IPv6
                            training forum took place in Sudan and since
                            then we have had thirteen (13) workshops in
                            North Africa, a sub region that has 2
                            representatives elected on AFRINIC’s board.
                            AFRINIC also has part of its Disaster
                            Recovery based in Egypt.</span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">We have
                            been particularly excited to contribute to
                            the development of forums including the
                            Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG)
                            and the newly Middle East Peering Forum
                            where most northern African countries
                            participate. Through our involvement with
                            these groups, we have supported the growth
                            of the local industry and the development of
                            an active professional community within the
                            region.</span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">RIRs are
                            community-governed organisations. If the
                            multi-stakeholder Internet community in the
                            Arab community feels that there is a need to
                            establish a new RIR both AFRINIC and RIPE
                            will be happy to support this development
                            appropriately. There are steps, via the
                            open, bottom-up policy development process,
                            to facilitate this. ICP-2, "Criteria for
                            Establishment of New Regional Internet
                            Registries", is a global policy, approved
                            through consensus by the communities from
                            all the existing RIRs, which sets out this
                            process: </span></font></p>
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/global-addressing/new-rirs-criteria"
                            target="_blank"><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(20,54,165)"
                              lang="EN-GB">http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/global-addressing/new-rirs-criteria</span></a><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">This,
                            like all RIR policies, was the result of a
                            “bottom-up" policy development, based on the
                            premise that those who use Internet number
                            resources and have a stake in the Internet,
                            including actors from civil society,
                            business, the technical community,
                            government and law enforcement agencies
                            (LEAs), should take the lead in developing
                            policies relating to the management of those
                            resources. <br>
                            <br>
                          </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">"Top-down"

                            policies developed without the participation
                            of those who operate the Internet carry the
                            risk of significant unintended consequences
                            for the Internet and its users. </span></font></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">It is
                            vital that the Internet technical community
                            has a voice in deciding such an important
                            issue. We encourage community members to
                            raise any questions or issues on the AFRINIC
                            mailing lists, or to email AFRINIC directly
                            by replying to this email. We are also happy
                            to assist anyone wishing to raise this issue
                            at upcoming events such as MENOG 12 (5-14
                            March), the AFRINIC mini IG event in Tunisia
                            in April or the AFRINIC meeting in Lusaka
                            9-21 June 2013. </span></font></p>
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