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Victor Ndonnang<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2013 15:27, Mouhamet Diop
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALUGNro9oNDn7C+JZfn5UKhnLj8PmoAJftQiBTffiygY=AsBNQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hello Dear All,
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<div>McTim raised one issue. But as an ecosystem, we need to thing
globally what will happen to the existing system if we start
implementing at a smaller level the fragmentation of the IP
management system.</div>
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<div>We need also to discuss this as a prism with different angles
(technical, management, geographical, organisation,
institutional sustainability, etc.).</div>
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<div>While i understand that this is a legitimate need and
raisonnable request and demand to have a RIR for the Arab
Region, if we follow the trend, we will execute and implement
the ITU recommendation (PP10 - Plenipotentiary resolutions) of
the Management of IP blocks with countries and regions levels.</div>
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<div>Because i see other requests coming all along the line ,
China, India, might or can also say that they represent by the
size of their population , a raisonnable RIR, and Australia
and/or Russia will raise the same issue regarding he size of the
country.</div>
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<div>And this is exactly what we call "Open the Boite of Pandore".
It will be the beginning of the end for the Management system as
we see it and as we know it.</div>
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<div>I give less than a year, 12 months for a predictable and
happy end to the the Global RIR system if we follow that path.</div>
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<div>Maybe it is or it might be a natural or unavoidable evolution
way for the management of the Critical Resources ?!!! </div>
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<div>But the consequences of such approval are not predictable at
that stage.</div>
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<div>Cheers.</div>
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<div>Mouhamet Diop </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/26 McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,
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<div>I would urge you to all read ICP-2, the link that is
included in this mail.</div>
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<div>The key phrase in the document (to me at least) is: </div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)">"The
proposed </span><abbr title="Regional Internet Registry"
style="border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)">RIR</abbr><span
style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:Arial,Heveltica,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:21.746665954589844px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6)"> must
operate internationally in a large geographical region
of approximately continental size."</span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial, Heveltica, sans-serif"
color="#555555"><span
style="font-size:15.333333015441895px;line-height:21.72222137451172px">Does
the MENA region meet this criteria?</span></font></div>
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style="font-size:15.333333015441895px;line-height:21.72222137451172px"><br>
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<div><font face="Arial, Heveltica, sans-serif"
color="#555555"><span
style="font-size:15.333333015441895px;line-height:21.72222137451172px">There
are of course other criteria to be met, but this one
is crucial to my mind.</span></font></div>
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<div>-- <br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Babusha
Radhakissoon</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM<br>
Subject: [AFRINIC-announce] AFRINIC Response to
Government Calls for an Arab RIR<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:announce@afrinic.net" target="_blank">announce@afrinic.net</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">Over the
past weeks and following on from talks at
last year's ITU WTSA and WCIT events, both
AFRINIC and the RIPE NCC have been asked to
participate in discussions concerning the
possibility of establishing a new Regional
Internet Registry (RIR) for the
Arabic-speaking community.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">In the
spirit of open community discussion both
AFRINIC and the RIPE NCC felt that it was
essential that we bring this to the
attention of our members and community.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">It is
imperative to note that these discussions
have not in any way been instigated by the
management or staff of either AFRINIC or the
RIPE NCC. The matter has been raised and
promoted by representatives of certain
governments in the Arab community.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">AFRINIC
is proud to serve the needs of its members
in Arab speaking states, in Northern Africa
and believes that the existing system can
meet the needs of a growing membership from
the region. Through its structure AFRINIC
also allows the region to be well
represented in its governing Board and has
held several members meeting in the region
since its creation in 2005.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">As you
are all aware, an RIR provides a range of
services, including managing its service
region’s Internet number resources (IPv4,
IPv6 and ASNs), maintaining proper records
of all registry activities in a publicly
accessible database (whois),</span><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">as well
as capacity building and training on use of
these resources. RIRs also provide general
support for regional Internet
Infrastructure, and facilitate community
discussion and engagement. AFRINIC has
played a vital role in unifying the policies
that govern the entire Africa/Indian Ocean
region and by lowering the entry barrier for
all African operators to obtain their own
Internet Number Resources has enabled
smaller operators in the region to grow and
develop.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">AFRINIC
has also contributed to forums including the
African Network Operators Group (AFNOG), the
African Top Level Domain Association (AFTLD)
as well as the Arab, North African and
African Internet Governance Forums. Through
our involvement with these groups, we have
supported the growth of the local industry
and the development of an active
professional community within the region.<span>
</span>For example, AFRINIC’s first IPv6
training forum took place in Sudan and since
then we have had thirteen (13) workshops in
North Africa, a sub region that has 2
representatives elected on AFRINIC’s board.
AFRINIC also has part of its Disaster
Recovery based in Egypt.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">We have
been particularly excited to contribute to
the development of forums including the
Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG)
and the newly Middle East Peering Forum
where most northern African countries
participate. Through our involvement with
these groups, we have supported the growth
of the local industry and the development of
an active professional community within the
region.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">RIRs are
community-governed organisations. If the
multi-stakeholder Internet community in the
Arab community feels that there is a need to
establish a new RIR both AFRINIC and RIPE
will be happy to support this development
appropriately. There are steps, via the
open, bottom-up policy development process,
to facilitate this. ICP-2, "Criteria for
Establishment of New Regional Internet
Registries", is a global policy, approved
through consensus by the communities from
all the existing RIRs, which sets out this
process: </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/global-addressing/new-rirs-criteria"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(20,54,165)"
lang="EN-GB">http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/global-addressing/new-rirs-criteria</span></a><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">This,
like all RIR policies, was the result of a
“bottom-up" policy development, based on the
premise that those who use Internet number
resources and have a stake in the Internet,
including actors from civil society,
business, the technical community,
government and law enforcement agencies
(LEAs), should take the lead in developing
policies relating to the management of those
resources. <br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">"Top-down"
policies developed without the participation
of those who operate the Internet carry the
risk of significant unintended consequences
for the Internet and its users. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-autospace:none"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-GB">It is
vital that the Internet technical community
has a voice in deciding such an important
issue. We encourage community members to
raise any questions or issues on the AFRINIC
mailing lists, or to email AFRINIC directly
by replying to this email. We are also happy
to assist anyone wishing to raise this issue
at upcoming events such as MENOG 12 (5-14
March), the AFRINIC mini IG event in Tunisia
in April or the AFRINIC meeting in Lusaka
9-21 June 2013. </span></font></p>
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AFRINIC<br>
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