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[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Maina Noah mainanoa at
Mon Jan 14 17:49:28 UTC 2013


IPv4 addresses are leftovers....lets focus on the fresh food...IPv6 and
catch up with those who no longer have leftovers remember they are
deploying IPv6 aggressively. Lets encourage that than wasting time on
trying to figure out how we can best use the left overs we have. See
leftovers can only be eaten after one night...then next night they come
poisonous :-)

Maina Noah

On 14 January 2013 15:50, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at> wrote:

> Hi Sunday,
> I would support such a policy as well, no questions asked, without even
> blinking.  Particularly with the 3-1 ratio mentioned.  It was this ratio
> that caused such huge arguments during a recent allocation, where AfriNIC
> came out with arguments like "If someone is on a LAB pc, they aren't using
> a
> phone at the same time, therefore it won't need an IP address" (Yes, I
> actually have that logged).  Completely mad, since who turns off a phones
> wireless the moment they walk into a PC lab....
> If we can pass a policy that does this, treating the Universities and
> research centres as end users and supporting this ratio for university
> campuses in allocations, where allocations are based on documentation
> surrounding enrolled student head count, I would be a very happy man.  You
> want to co-draft with me?
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:42 PM
> To: Andrew Alston
> Cc: 'David Conrad'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
> Andrew,
> I like your statement ... "Let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the
> assets,
> while they still has value".
> I will support a policy proposal that has a reincarnation of John Postel go
> round African Universities and Research Centres, looking at their LANs and
> making a direct relacement of their Natted V4 space with routable v4
> addresses and also matching v6 to go with it. oh ... we can even estimate 3
> addresses per students population, since they will have laptops, pads and
> fones, all requiring Wifi at the minimum.
> That is a no-brainer to get the assets used, while they still have value.
> Sunday.
> On 14/01/2013 13:13, Andrew Alston wrote:
> > The rest of the world is interested in African v4, because yes, while
> > we are behind the curve on v6, is the fact is, the rest of the world
> > is also behind on their v6 deployments.  We are just a lot more behind
> > than they are :) Sadly reality is, people spoke to years about the
> > fact that v4 was going to run out, hell, I remember sitting in Cairo
> > in 2005 and hearing the arguments put forward by Tony Hain about this,
> > no one wanted to listen.  Now, the v4 is gone and people need to keep
> > going while they migrate/dual-stack.  So, there is demand for v4.
> > Africa is in a unique position though, because by the time we run out
> > of v4, the need for dual-stack will probably be a lot less than it is
> > today, because the rest of the world will have stopped using nearly as
> > much of it by that point at our current allocation rates.  Wanna take
> > a guess at what is going to happen then if we aren't v6 ready?  Just
> > like the rest of the world flogs us old equipment because they think
> > they can get away with it, we'll suddenly become the dumping ground
> > for the unused v4 that isn't needed anymore.  Sadly, if attitudes
> > haven't changed, we may find that many companies buy into this and
> actually get those assets.
> >
> > V4 assets are valuable today, a year or two from now, they will be a
> > lot less valuable, 5 years from now, they will be practically
> > worthless.  I'd rather see us get away from our v4 obsession by
> > forcing people to go v6 depleting our pool, than drag it on so long
> > that the rest of the world moves past it, and then continues to keep
> > us in the back waters by selling us their now worthless v4 assets
> > because we've never changed the mindset to "WE NEED V6".
> >
> > You know, I find this whole discussion to be kind of sad, we as
> > African's claim we want to be part of the global community, we want
> > open trade, we want the same rights and advantages as the rest of the
> > world, we want to be part of the global economies, yet, we still sit
> > and argue against getting involved globally.  It works both ways
> > people, if we continue to hoard what we are VERY obviously not using
> > (look at our allocation rates), simply because "It's my precious"
> > (sorry, lame reference to lord of the rings), all we will do is
> > further alienate ourselves from the rest of the globe.  That isn't
> productive.
> >
> > Either find a way  to actually USE the v4 we have on the continent, or
> > let it go, the first is obviously preferential, but if we can't do
> > that because of all the reasons detailed in my last email or because
> > of any other reasons, then let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the
> > assets while they still have value.
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