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[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Sunday Folayan sfolayan at
Mon Jan 14 12:58:16 UTC 2013

Yes, Lets do this one fruit.

We should continue to look at other fruits that don't require Brokers as 
ladders ;)


On 14/01/2013 13:50, Andrew Alston wrote:
> Hi Sunday,
> I would support such a policy as well, no questions asked, without even
> blinking.  Particularly with the 3-1 ratio mentioned.  It was this ratio
> that caused such huge arguments during a recent allocation, where AfriNIC
> came out with arguments like "If someone is on a LAB pc, they aren't using a
> phone at the same time, therefore it won't need an IP address" (Yes, I
> actually have that logged).  Completely mad, since who turns off a phones
> wireless the moment they walk into a PC lab....
> If we can pass a policy that does this, treating the Universities and
> research centres as end users and supporting this ratio for university
> campuses in allocations, where allocations are based on documentation
> surrounding enrolled student head count, I would be a very happy man.  You
> want to co-draft with me?
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:42 PM
> To: Andrew Alston
> Cc: 'David Conrad'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
> Andrew,
> I like your statement ... "Let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the assets,
> while they still has value".
> I will support a policy proposal that has a reincarnation of John Postel go
> round African Universities and Research Centres, looking at their LANs and
> making a direct relacement of their Natted V4 space with routable v4
> addresses and also matching v6 to go with it. oh ... we can even estimate 3
> addresses per students population, since they will have laptops, pads and
> fones, all requiring Wifi at the minimum.
> That is a no-brainer to get the assets used, while they still have value.
> Sunday.
> On 14/01/2013 13:13, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> The rest of the world is interested in African v4, because yes, while
>> we are behind the curve on v6, is the fact is, the rest of the world
>> is also behind on their v6 deployments.  We are just a lot more behind
>> than they are :) Sadly reality is, people spoke to years about the
>> fact that v4 was going to run out, hell, I remember sitting in Cairo
>> in 2005 and hearing the arguments put forward by Tony Hain about this,
>> no one wanted to listen.  Now, the v4 is gone and people need to keep
>> going while they migrate/dual-stack.  So, there is demand for v4.
>> Africa is in a unique position though, because by the time we run out
>> of v4, the need for dual-stack will probably be a lot less than it is
>> today, because the rest of the world will have stopped using nearly as
>> much of it by that point at our current allocation rates.  Wanna take
>> a guess at what is going to happen then if we aren't v6 ready?  Just
>> like the rest of the world flogs us old equipment because they think
>> they can get away with it, we'll suddenly become the dumping ground
>> for the unused v4 that isn't needed anymore.  Sadly, if attitudes
>> haven't changed, we may find that many companies buy into this and
> actually get those assets.
>> V4 assets are valuable today, a year or two from now, they will be a
>> lot less valuable, 5 years from now, they will be practically
>> worthless.  I'd rather see us get away from our v4 obsession by
>> forcing people to go v6 depleting our pool, than drag it on so long
>> that the rest of the world moves past it, and then continues to keep
>> us in the back waters by selling us their now worthless v4 assets
>> because we've never changed the mindset to "WE NEED V6".
>> You know, I find this whole discussion to be kind of sad, we as
>> African's claim we want to be part of the global community, we want
>> open trade, we want the same rights and advantages as the rest of the
>> world, we want to be part of the global economies, yet, we still sit
>> and argue against getting involved globally.  It works both ways
>> people, if we continue to hoard what we are VERY obviously not using
>> (look at our allocation rates), simply because "It's my precious"
>> (sorry, lame reference to lord of the rings), all we will do is
>> further alienate ourselves from the rest of the globe.  That isn't
> productive.
>> Either find a way  to actually USE the v4 we have on the continent, or
>> let it go, the first is obviously preferential, but if we can't do
>> that because of all the reasons detailed in my last email or because
>> of any other reasons, then let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the
>> assets while they still have value.

Sunday Adekunle Folayan
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