[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Mon Jul 23 20:49:49 UTC 2012

Andrew,

The Board does not meet on the Policy mailing list :)

I would be surprised if Board members comment as Board members. We have 
read from Mark and Badru, but these were constructive comments made by 
them as themselves, not as Board members.

I believe the proper procedure is that the Staff would make a summary of 
what the issues are, and present to the Board at their next f2f or 
teleconference, which ever comes first. The Staff have been responsive 
on queries that you raised, and I trust they will do the needful.

Cheers.

Sunday.

On 23/07/2012 18:17, Andrew Alston wrote:
> Hi Nii,
>
> Oh believe me, I am doing that, but fixing that will still not fix the 
> root cause, the root cause is that there seems to be, from this list, 
> a clear indication from the community that the fee structure needs 
> review, and at current, there is still no voice from the board 
> indicating that such will be done, or how it will be reviewed (I am 
> not looking for final numbers here, nor am I trying to set them). 
>  Therefore, I figure that analyzing the figures and the financials and 
> giving the community a chance to take a constructive look at where 
> their money is going and how things are proportioned out is a good 
> thing to do.  Even if this is only discussed at the AGM, the 
> discussion here will feed into that discussion, and considering the 
> time frames at an AGM where we have only a few hours to look at what 
> are complex financials, since they are not typically posted well in 
> advance of the meeting, can only be useful
>
>
> Andrew
>
> On 23 Jul 2012, at 3:29 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Why not focus on agreeing on LIR and end-user?
>>
>> Nii
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 13:12, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, the attempt was not necessarily to set fees, the attempt was to 
>>> analyse the gap between PIR and LIR fees and see if they are 
>>> disproportionate in the communities view, so that we can request the 
>>> board to look at this and make an adjustment with a well thought out 
>>> motivation for the request for review.
>>>
>>> I believe that if we are going to ask the board for a fee adjustment 
>>> we need to tell them as a community how we view this, and give them 
>>> solid reasons for it, and we cannot do that without discussion and 
>>> information,  The final numbers are the boards to decide, but 
>>> direction from the community is just as important.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 2:59 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Board sets fees; we discuss policy. The note was an attempt to set 
>>>> fees?
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 12:48, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor 
>>>>> <quaynor at ghana.com <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Perhaps the board has heard loud and clearly. We might at this
>>>>>     point leave the board to do their job ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *What is the board job in context of this discussion?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *Cheers*
>>>>> *JM*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:40, Andrew Alston
>>>>>     <alston.networks at gmail.com <mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com>>
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Let me just state, that I do not think there would be any
>>>>>>     problem to potentially raising the fees for an end user on an
>>>>>>     annual basis.  For example, if you went from $100/$200 a year
>>>>>>     to even $1000 a year, its still in the reasonable range.  I
>>>>>>     would argue that the difference between LIR and End User
>>>>>>     though is currently excessive.  If we raised the end user
>>>>>>     fees and dropped the LIR fees to perhaps make a more
>>>>>>     inclusive fee structure, maybe thats the answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That is one of the reasons why I have asked AfriNIC for the
>>>>>>     statistics in a previous email, so that we can do a proper
>>>>>>     analysis of where the revenue that is required is being
>>>>>>     generated from, and then perhaps can discuss how this could
>>>>>>     be moved around to a way that the community is happy with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 23 Jul 2012, at 1:21 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hello SF,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sunday Folayan
>>>>>>>     <sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         http://www.afrinic.net/index.php/en/library/membership-documents/273-membership-fees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Perhaps you just focused on the setup costs. My
>>>>>>>         statement (Annual fee) stands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Yes you are right i did looked at something different as i
>>>>>>>     assumed there was really no issue with the current pricing
>>>>>>>     for the end-user. So i was looking at the pricing that
>>>>>>>     Institutions will be paying if they were now categorized as
>>>>>>>     an LIR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         From the structure you reference, /24 PI should pay $100
>>>>>>>         annually. /16 is also expected to pay $100. It is >/16
>>>>>>>         to /14 that progresses to $200.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I think $100/$200 annual payment is not the biggest and
>>>>>>>     unbearable part of the end-user's current pricing :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>     -- 
>>>>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         /Seun Ojedeji,
>>>>>>>         Federal University Oye-Ekiti
>>>>>>>         web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/>
>>>>>>>         Mobile: +2348035233535
>>>>>>>         //alt
>>>>>>>         email:<http://goog_1872880453/>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>>>>>>>         <mailto:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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