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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew,<br>
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      The Board does not meet on the Policy mailing list :)<br>
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      I would be surprised if Board members comment as Board members. We
      have read from Mark and Badru, but these were constructive
      comments made by them as themselves, not as Board members.<br>
      <br>
      I believe the proper procedure is that the Staff would make a
      summary of what the issues are, and present to the Board at their
      next f2f or teleconference, which ever comes first. The Staff have
      been responsive on queries that you raised, and I trust they will
      do the needful.<br>
      <br>
      Cheers.<br>
      <br>
      Sunday.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 23/07/2012 18:17, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
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      Hi Nii,
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      <div>Oh believe me, I am doing that, but fixing that will still
        not fix the root cause, the root cause is that there seems to
        be, from this list, a clear indication from the community that
        the fee structure needs review, and at current, there is still
        no voice from the board indicating that such will be done, or
        how it will be reviewed (I am not looking for final numbers
        here, nor am I trying to set them).  Therefore, I figure that
        analyzing the figures and the financials and giving the
        community a chance to take a constructive look at where their
        money is going and how things are proportioned out is a good
        thing to do.  Even if this is only discussed at the AGM, the
        discussion here will feed into that discussion, and considering
        the time frames at an AGM where we have only a few hours to look
        at what are complex financials, since they are not typically
        posted well in advance of the meeting, can only be useful</div>
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      <div>Andrew</div>
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          <div>On 23 Jul 2012, at 3:29 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:</div>
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              <div>Andrew,</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Why not focus on agreeing on LIR and end-user?</div>
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              <div>Nii<br>
                <br>
                On Jul 23, 2012, at 13:12, Andrew Alston <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                <div>No, the attempt was not necessarily to set fees,
                  the attempt was to analyse the gap between PIR and LIR
                  fees and see if they are disproportionate in the
                  communities view, so that we can request the board to
                  look at this and make an adjustment with a well
                  thought out motivation for the request for review.
                  <div><br>
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                  <div>I believe that if we are going to ask the board
                    for a fee adjustment we need to tell them as a
                    community how we view this, and give them solid
                    reasons for it, and we cannot do that without
                    discussion and information,  The final numbers are
                    the boards to decide, but direction from the
                    community is just as important.</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div>Andrew</div>
                  <div><br>
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                      <div>On 23 Jul 2012, at 2:59 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor
                        wrote:</div>
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                          <div>Board sets fees; we discuss policy. The
                            note was an attempt to set fees?<br>
                            <br>
                            On Jul 23, 2012, at 12:48, Jackson Muthili
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 23,
                                2012 at 3:04 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"
                                    target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                    <div>Perhaps the board has heard
                                      loud and clearly. We might at this
                                      point leave the board to do their
                                      job ?<br>
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                                <div><br>
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                                <div><br>
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                                <div><b>What is the board job in context
                                    of this discussion?</b></div>
                                <div><b><br>
                                  </b></div>
                                <div><b>Cheers</b></div>
                                <div><b>JM</b></div>
                                <div><br>
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                                    <div><br>
                                      On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:40, Andrew
                                      Alston <<a
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                                        target="_blank">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                      <div>Hi Guys,
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div>Let me just state, that I
                                          do not think there would be
                                          any problem to potentially
                                          raising the fees for an end
                                          user on an annual basis.  For
                                          example, if you went from
                                          $100/$200 a year to even $1000
                                          a year, its still in the
                                          reasonable range.  I would
                                          argue that the difference
                                          between LIR and End User
                                          though is currently excessive.
                                           If we raised the end user
                                          fees and dropped the LIR fees
                                          to perhaps make a more
                                          inclusive fee structure, maybe
                                          thats the answer.</div>
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>That is one of the reasons
                                          why I have asked AfriNIC for
                                          the statistics in a previous
                                          email, so that we can do a
                                          proper analysis of where the
                                          revenue that is required is
                                          being generated from, and then
                                          perhaps can discuss how this
                                          could be moved around to a way
                                          that the community is happy
                                          with.</div>
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div>Andrew</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>On 23 Jul 2012, at 1:21
                                              PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:</div>
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                                              SF,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at
                                                11:21 AM, Sunday Folayan
                                                <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com" target="_blank">sfolayan@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                                    <br>
                                                    Perhaps you just
                                                    focused on the setup
                                                    costs. My statement
                                                    (Annual fee) stands.<br>
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                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>Yes you are right i
                                                  did looked at
                                                  something different as
                                                  i assumed there was
                                                  really no issue with
                                                  the current pricing
                                                  for the end-user. So i
                                                  was looking at the
                                                  pricing that
                                                  Institutions will be
                                                  paying if they were
                                                  now categorized as an
                                                  LIR.<br>
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                                                    From the structure
                                                    you reference, /24
                                                    PI should pay $100
                                                    annually. /16 is
                                                    also expected to pay
                                                    $100. It is >/16
                                                    to /14 that
                                                    progresses to $200.</div>
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                                                  I think $100/$200
                                                  annual payment is not
                                                  the biggest and
                                                  unbearable part of the
                                                  end-user's current
                                                  pricing :-)<br>
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                                              Regards<br>
                                              -- <br>
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                                                <i><span>Seun Ojedeji,<br>
                                                  </span><span>Federal
                                                    University Oye-Ekiti<br>
                                                  </span><span>web:     
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