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[AfriNIC-rpd] Policy Proposal: End user classification for Universities

Owen DeLong owen at
Fri Jun 29 01:20:11 UTC 2012

Sorry for the previous content-free message, touchscreen + train = misclick.

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On Jun 28, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at> wrote:

> Hello,
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at> wrote:
> A university is an LIR IMHO if it provides IP transit services to its students who are, in effect residential subscribers. 
> I want to assume IMHO means In My Humble Opinion and not just a term (as i may not be familiar with all techical terms used here). If that is the case then i think perhaps we need to


> define the context by which IP transit is used here. If i don't provide my network service to my student then who will i provide it to? if i have the infrastructure to provide it to university users at home, does it matter whether they are staff OR student? Going by your point, perhaps there won't be the term end user again  :-)

Your classrooms, labs, libraries, and other school facilities.

Staff or student does not matter, you are correct. If you provide access to staff residences, that, too would render you an LIR.

End user, in general, doesn't really apply to the majority of universities in my opinion.

Rather, it applies to things like corporate offices, small and medium businesses, multihomed individual households, etc. Organizations which do not delegate addresses for the use of networks outside of their administrative control.

By that, I mean that a University has, for example, relatively tight policy control over its classroom, library, laboratory, and other networks as they own not only the upstream connection, but, the in-room infrastructure as well.

OTOH, in the average dorm room, you control the jack on the wall and after that, it plugs into a router owned by the student (usually with a NAT gateway for IPv4) and the network beyond that is entirely under the administrative control of the student.

> Nevertheless i like to be corrected if i have understood the terms wrongly.

You have understood the terms correctly as near as I can tell, except that we appear to disagree about what constitutes an end user, or, our understanding of the world of end-users is somehow different which may be a misunderstanding by one or more of us or may be a legitimate disagreement about what constitutes good internet policy.


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