[AfriNIC-rpd] Section 3.8 of AFPUB-2010-v4-005-draft-02 - IPv4 Soft Landing

[Dr Paulos Nyirenda]

On 23 May 2011 at 8:01, Owen DeLong wrote:

> I think this discussion is getting too focused on particular language. There is nothing
> wrong with it being a "vote". However, one must recognize that it is not an election
> or a binding vote where the outcome of the vote dictates the outcome of the process.
> 
> Instead, it is what is known as an "advisory vote". The outcome of the vote serves as
> advice to the chairs to help them gauge consensus.
> 
> So, whether you consider it an advisory vote or a show of consensus, I really think
> that the terms are synonymous. The important thing is to have clarity on the actual
> meaning of the event rather than to focus on the exact terminology used to
> describe it.

Without using so many words, determining consensus in the PDP policy is indeed different 
from the process of voting and the two processes do not necessarily yield the same 
outcome.

The AfriNIC PDP is about consensus building and determination.

Regards,

Paulos
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Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
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On 23 May 2011 at 8:01, Owen DeLong wrote:
 
> On May 23, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Mark Elkins wrote:
> 
> > Healthy debate! - I'm glad.
> > 
> > On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:14 +0200, Dr Paulos Nyirenda wrote:
> >> On 23 May 2011 at 13:03, Mark Elkins wrote:
> >> 
> >>> ...x ...
> >>> 
> >>> I've no problem with this either - unless "participation" by people not
> >>> from the AfriNIC region allows "them" to harm "us". Maybe "they" should
> >>> not always be invited to "show consensus" (vote)???  Ponder this a
> >>> while.
> >> 
> >> If you want this then the AfriNIC PDP in AFPUB-2010-GEN-005 needs to be revised
> because 
> >> you really cannot do this right now and the policy says that you should not do
> this.
> > 
> >> 
> >>> Whilst I was at ARIN a few weeks ago - participating in their Policy
> >>> discussions - I didn't always put up my hand to "show consensus" - I
> >>> didn't always feel it appropriate. (Might be wrong - but there was no
> >>> voting at ARIN - just a demonstration of "consensus" as a guide to the
> >>> AC (Advisory Council))
> >> 
> >> If you check the you will see that the word "vote" does not appear in the AfriNIC
> PDP. 
> >> The  AfriNIC PDP is based on consensus and not voting. The current counting of who 
> >> supports and who opposes is painting the wrong picture on how to implement the
> AfriNIC 
> >> PDP.
> > 
> > Yes - many (I include myself) may have a mind set of treating the "Hands
> > up" as a vote rather than as "a Show of Consensus".
> > 
> 
> I think this discussion is getting too focused on particular language. There is
> nothing
> wrong with it being a "vote". However, one must recognize that it is not an election
> or a binding vote where the outcome of the vote dictates the outcome of the process.
> 
> Instead, it is what is known as an "advisory vote". The outcome of the vote serves as
> advice to the chairs to help them gauge consensus.
> 
> So, whether you consider it an advisory vote or a show of consensus, I really think
> that the terms are synonymous. The important thing is to have clarity on the actual
> meaning of the event rather than to focus on the exact terminology used to
> describe it.
> 
> Owen
> 
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