[AfriNIC-rpd] RE:AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of RegionAllocation of IPv4 Resources - of Legacy Space

[Owen DeLong]

Legacy space was not granted as a free-for-all. Legacy space was never transferable except
through acquisition of the functional network structures that the addresses were originally issued
to support.

Any transfer of legacy resources should require that the recipient sign an agreement with the
applicable RIR and the transfer combined with the agreement should void their legacy status
in my opinion.

Owen

On May 9, 2011, at 4:37 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:

> I would be opposed to any policy that placed any restrictions on true legacy space (that space that was assigned prior to the existence of RIR’s).
>  
> I am not at all convinced that such a policy could actually be legally enforced anyway, since the space was allocated outside of the auspicious of the RIR structures, and therefore I believe the RIR’s do not have the authority to impose restrictions on the use/sale/transfer of space allocated like this.  That would be retroactive without the agreement of the assignees of such space. 
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Andrew Alston
> TENET – Chief Technology Officer
>  
>  
> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Walubengo J
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: rpd at afrinic.net; mje at posix.co.za
> Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] RE:AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of RegionAllocation of IPv4 Resources - of Legacy Space
>  
> @Mark,
> 
> M$ bought the legacy space with a lot of $$$.  What I liked is that ARIN quickly got M$ to subsequently put this space under their Service Contracts.  I think they fast-fowarded a Policy around this (anyone with specific/actual url on this?)
> 
> Am just wondering maybe AfriNIC should discuss a similar policy since we do have quite some legacy space particular in SA which according to contemporary understanding AfriNIC cannot control its "departure"/"exchange".
> 
> walu.  
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/8/11, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> Subject: RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 9:12 PM
> 
> Oh? - why do you want to wait until they are completely out rather than
> just in their final /8 - which restricts LIR's to a single /22 (or
> something similar)? Most Soft landing policies have something like that.
> 
> ...except ARIN who does not have a soft landing policy (just lots of
> historical legacy space to re-sell....)
> 
> I'd be happy allowing anyone that has a need to have these addresses -
> at a price of course!
> 
> (What did Microsoft recently pay per IPv4 address?) 
> 
> On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 19:30 +0200, Andrew Alston wrote:
> > Hi There,
> > 
> > Not until such time as APNIC is completely out of address space, if I
> > recall they are currently in their last /8, but they are still
> > allocating from within that. 
> > 
> > Once they state "We cannot allocate ANY more" this would start to apply
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Andrew
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On
> > > Behalf Of SM
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:54 PM
> > > To: rpd at afrinic.net
> > > Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of
> > > Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I have a few comments about AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 (Limited Out
> > > of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources).  In Section 3:
> > > 
> > >    "Upon the depletion of IPv4 resources within any of the RIPE/
> > APNIC/
> > >     LACNIC/ ARIN regions, AfriNIC will begin to allow foreign entities
> > >     to take membership of AfriNIC and under such foreign membership
> > >     obtain allocations of space, made available from a single /8 out
> > >     of AfriNIC's IP space holding."
> > > 
> > > As APNIC is in Stage Three of IPv4 exhaustion in the Asia Pacific,
> > > would this proposal be applicable for that region?
> > > 
> > > Section 4 and 5 contains the same text.  The Revision History also
> > > contains that text.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > -sm
> > > 
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