[AfriNIC-rpd] RE:AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of RegionAllocation of IPv4 Resources - of Legacy Space

[Andrew Alston]

I would be opposed to any policy that placed any restrictions on true
legacy space (that space that was assigned prior to the existence of
RIR's).

 

I am not at all convinced that such a policy could actually be legally
enforced anyway, since the space was allocated outside of the auspicious
of the RIR structures, and therefore I believe the RIR's do not have the
authority to impose restrictions on the use/sale/transfer of space
allocated like this.  That would be retroactive without the agreement of
the assignees of such space.  

 

Thanks

 

Andrew Alston

TENET - Chief Technology Officer

 

 

From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf
Of Walubengo J
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:17 PM
To: rpd at afrinic.net; mje at posix.co.za
Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] RE:AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of
RegionAllocation of IPv4 Resources - of Legacy Space

 

@Mark,

M$ bought the legacy space with a lot of $$$.  What I liked is that ARIN
quickly got M$ to subsequently put this space under their Service
Contracts.  I think they fast-fowarded a Policy around this (anyone with
specific/actual url on this?)

Am just wondering maybe AfriNIC should discuss a similar policy since we
do have quite some legacy space particular in SA which according to
contemporary understanding AfriNIC cannot control its
"departure"/"exchange".

walu.  

--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:


From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
Subject: RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of
Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources
To: rpd at afrinic.net
Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 9:12 PM

Oh? - why do you want to wait until they are completely out rather than
just in their final /8 - which restricts LIR's to a single /22 (or
something similar)? Most Soft landing policies have something like that.

...except ARIN who does not have a soft landing policy (just lots of
historical legacy space to re-sell....)

I'd be happy allowing anyone that has a need to have these addresses -
at a price of course!

(What did Microsoft recently pay per IPv4 address?) 

On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 19:30 +0200, Andrew Alston wrote:
> Hi There,
> 
> Not until such time as APNIC is completely out of address space, if I
> recall they are currently in their last /8, but they are still
> allocating from within that. 
> 
> Once they state "We cannot allocate ANY more" this would start to
apply
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On
> > Behalf Of SM
> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:54 PM
> > To: rpd at afrinic.net
> > Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of
> > Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a few comments about AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 (Limited Out
> > of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources).  In Section 3:
> > 
> >    "Upon the depletion of IPv4 resources within any of the RIPE/
> APNIC/
> >     LACNIC/ ARIN regions, AfriNIC will begin to allow foreign
entities
> >     to take membership of AfriNIC and under such foreign membership
> >     obtain allocations of space, made available from a single /8 out
> >     of AfriNIC's IP space holding."
> > 
> > As APNIC is in Stage Three of IPv4 exhaustion in the Asia Pacific,
> > would this proposal be applicable for that region?
> > 
> > Section 4 and 5 contains the same text.  The Revision History also
> > contains that text.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > -sm
> > 
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