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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would be opposed to any policy that placed any restrictions on true legacy space (that space that was assigned prior to the existence of RIR’s).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am not at all convinced that such a policy could actually be legally enforced anyway, since the space was allocated outside of the auspicious of the RIR structures, and therefore I believe the RIR’s do not have the authority to impose restrictions on the use/sale/transfer of space allocated like this. That would be retroactive without the agreement of the assignees of such space. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew Alston<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TENET – Chief Technology Officer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> rpd-bounces@afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Walubengo J<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 09, 2011 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net; mje@posix.co.za<br><b>Subject:</b> [AfriNIC-rpd] RE:AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of RegionAllocation of IPv4 Resources - of Legacy Space<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>@Mark,<br><br>M$ bought the legacy space with a lot of $$$. What I liked is that ARIN quickly got M$ to subsequently put this space under their Service Contracts. I think they fast-fowarded a Policy around this (anyone with specific/actual url on this?)<br><br>Am just wondering maybe AfriNIC should discuss a similar policy since we do have quite some legacy space particular in SA which according to contemporary understanding AfriNIC cannot control its "departure"/"exchange".<br><br>walu. <br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 5/8/11, Mark Elkins <i><mje@posix.co.za></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za><br>Subject: RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources<br>To: rpd@afrinic.net<br>Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 9:12 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Oh? - why do you want to wait until they are completely out rather than<br>just in their final /8 - which restricts LIR's to a single /22 (or<br>something similar)? Most Soft landing policies have something like that.<br><br>...except ARIN who does not have a soft landing policy (just lots of<br>historical legacy space to re-sell....)<br><br>I'd be happy allowing anyone that has a need to have these addresses -<br>at a price of course!<br><br>(What did Microsoft recently pay per IPv4 address?) <br><br>On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 19:30 +0200, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>> Hi There,<br>> <br>> Not until such time as APNIC is completely out of address space, if I<br>> recall they are currently in their last /8, but they are still<br>> allocating from within that. <br>> <br>> Once they state "We cannot allocate ANY more" this would start to apply<br>> <br>> Thanks<br>> <br>> Andrew<br>> <br>> <br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: <a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [mailto:<a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] On<br>> > Behalf Of SM<br>> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:54 PM<br>> > To: <a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> > Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 - Limited Out of<br>> > Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources<br>> > <br>> > Hi,<br>> > <br>> > I have a few comments about AFPUB-2011-v4-003-draft-02 (Limited Out<br>> > of Region Allocation of IPv4 Resources). In Section 3:<br>> > <br>> > "Upon the depletion of IPv4 resources within any of the RIPE/<br>> APNIC/<br>> > LACNIC/ ARIN regions, AfriNIC will begin to allow foreign entities<br>> > to take membership of AfriNIC and under such foreign membership<br>> > obtain allocations of space, made available from a single /8 out<br>> > of AfriNIC's IP space holding."<br>> > <br>> > As APNIC is in Stage Three of IPv4 exhaustion in the Asia Pacific,<br>> > would this proposal be applicable for that region?<br>> > <br>> > Section 4 and 5 contains the same text. The Revision History also<br>> > contains that text.<br>> > <br>> > Regards,<br>> > -sm<br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > rpd mailing list<br>> > <a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> rpd mailing list<br>> <a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br><br>-- <br> . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - Sth Africa<br>/| /| / /__ <a href="/mc/compose?to=mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br>/ |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: +27 12 807 0590 Cell: +27 82 601 0496<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>rpd mailing list<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>