[AfriNIC-rpd] Updated Version of the "IPv4 Soft Landing Policy" now Available Online

Tue Feb 22 17:02:26 UTC 2011

On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 07:24 -0800, Douglas Onyango wrote:
> Andrew, You raise a valid point here and i am compelled to agree. The
>  thing is that this clause was raised in the spirit of preventing the
>  black market situation for IPv4 which i believe you have heard/read
>  about countless times.
> 
> In light of your compelled evidence, i think this zero's down to a
>  lesser evil. Now, bringing McTim's argument that Not that many African
>  Multinationals will be moving into EU et al and given that the few
>  that do so have the option of acquiring address space from the regions
>  they belong to, i am for keeping this clause.

At this stage of the end game - we are only giving out quite small
blocks of IP addresses - probably very unsuitable for expansion out of
Africa - so have difficulty agreeing with Andrew on this one. If MTN
(choosing someone who is "conquering" Africa - and thus a suitable
example) wants to go after Europe - then they *should* first be asking
RIPE for IPv4 space. However MTN probably has enough address space
already so they could probably move enough themselves from say South
Africa to Europe - and I dare say the same holds true for any other
African Multinational.

> 
> Regards, Douglas Onyango | +256(0712)981329 Life is the educators
>  practical joke in which you spend the first half learning, and the
>  second half learning that everything you learned in the first was
>  wrong.
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/22/11, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Updated Version of the "IPv4 Soft Landing Policy" now Available Online
> > To: "Andrew Alston" <aa at tenet.ac.za>
> > Cc: "AfriNIC List" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:03 PM
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM,
> > Andrew Alston <aa at tenet.ac.za>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > >
> > >> AfriNIC resources are for the AfriNIC geographical
> > region. For each
> > >> allocation or assignment made during the
> > Exhaustion Phase, no more than
> > >> 10% of these resources may be used outside of the
> > AfriNIC region, and
> > >> any use outside the AfriNIC region shall be solely
> > in support of
> > >> connectivity back to the AfriNIC region.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I need to object to the above clause and recommend
> > deletion of this clause,
> > > for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > A.) It's not really enforceable, I have yet to hear
> > ANY credible method of
> > > identifying members who are violating this.  A policy
> > that is not
> > > enforceable doesn't serve a point, other than as a
> > statement of intent.
> > 
> > 
> > Which is sufficient IMO to leave it in (at least for now).
> > 
> > >
> > > B.) This clause creates major problems for African
> > companies wishing to
> > > globally expand in the post exhaustion era.  The
> > simple fact is that once an
> > > RIR in another region runs out of space, any African
> > company wishing to
> > > operate in both regions, and needing more space for
> > expansion in another
> > > region will HAVE to get the space from AfriNIC, that
> > or we tell them as the
> > > community that we do not support their expansion into
> > other markets.  It's
> > > kind of self defeating.  Now, I've heard people say
> > that even if this
> > > happens, it will amount to less than 10% of their
> > allocations, and I don't
> > > agree with this sentiment at all.  There are plenty
> > of cases where an
> > > African institution has ONE major branch in Africa,
> > and 5 or 6 in different
> > > countries and regions around the world.  Are we
> > really going to stop them
> > > expanding by denying them the right to use AfriNIC
> > space in their expansion?
> > 
> > Well, they CAN use v6....but i do see your point.
> > 
> > >
> > > In a world where globalization is becoming key to
> > business, I really believe
> > > this clause could cause us untold headaches.
> > 
> > potential headaches, I agree.
> > 
> > Shall we cross that bridge when we get to it?  I don't
> > see many
> > African companies expanding into the EU or USA right, now,
> > but am
> > willing to be persuaded that this is a valid (corner)
> > case.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
> > it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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