[AfriNIC-rpd] Comments about AFPUB-2010-GEN-005

[Mark Elkins]

Yes - but if the Chairs can not agree with each other (personality
clashes excluded) - how ever can one say that there is Consensus?

Technically - there should be very little opportunity for objectivity -
so even two chairs should agree. The Chair should simply be a reflection
of what the people agree to (consensus or not) - with the current
"rules" (PDP Policy) being the guide towards making decisions.
My thoughts anyway.

You are correct about the reasons to have two chairs though -
redundancy.
Maybe if both Chairs are present - your idea of "power sharing" makes
sense... but it should probably just be the Chair who's term is first to
run out that is the Primary Chair. I'm assuming here that each Chair has
a two year term - and they overlap by one year - so the primary Chair
should be the person who has the shortest term left - technically the
Chair with the most experience.
If one one Chair is present at a meeting - that person is the defacto
Chair.


On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:41 -0800, Walubengo J wrote:
> my earlier undestanding behind the need to have 2chairs for the PDP
> was that they could act as "alternate" to avoid the occurence of "no
> chair" present as it happened in Afrinic-11 in Senegal.
> 
> However, during the last policy meeting in SA (Afrinic-13), it occured
> to me that BOTH Chairs are actually expected to be present and
> managing the Policy discussion - thus creating a real potential for
> deadlocks (as Dr. Paulos describes here).
> 
> One quick way to resolve the potential for deadlocks while
> simultaneously eliminating the potential for "absent chair" is to
> designate a "lead" Chair for each Policy meeting on a rotational
> basis. Since we have 2 policy meetings per year, and 2 chairs, the
> lead chair in a previous policy meeting becomes the secondary chair in
> the subsequent meeting and both act as Backup for each other i.e. in
> the event a lead chair cant make it for the meeting the secondary
> chair simply takes over. Also this means that the lead chair for that
> period/session has the final say - in the event of conflict or need to
> break a tie (within the Chairmanship).
> 
> regards.
> walu.
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 12/23/10, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
>         
>         From: Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw>
>         Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Comments about AFPUB-2010-GEN-005
>         To: "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com>, rpd at afrinic.net
>         Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 5:07 PM
>         
>         
>         Experience on the AfriNIC PDP-MG shows that conflict among
>         chairs of the PDP process has 
>         occurred often in the last three years, making this a very
>         meaningful and pertinent 
>         issue. 
>         
>         This has been the case at face to face public policy meetings
>         as well as during PDP-MG 
>         internal meetings. It has been observed before that
>         AFPUB-2010-GEN-005 has a major 
>         problem in that it has two co-chairs (even number) which will
>         result in many hanging 
>         decisions very often. 
>         
>         One way to the resolve this is to revise AFPUB-2010-GEN-005 so
>         that number of co-chairs 
>         should have been odd.
>         
>         When analysing such conflicts, it will be necessary to include
>         consideration of conflicts 
>         of interest in policy development such as the case where one
>         of the PDP co-chairs is an 
>         author of a policy under consideration as it unfortunately
>         happened in the development of 
>         AFPUB-2010-GEN-005.
>         
>         Regards,
>         
>         Paulos
>         ======================
>         Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>         NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>         http://www.registrar.mw
>         
>         
>         On 15 Dec 2010 at 12:42, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
>         > 
>         > On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:12 AM, sm+afrinic at elandsys.com wrote:
>         >
>         > > AFPUB-2010-GEN-005 does not discuss about the question of
>         conflict between the two
>         > > Chairs.  I suggest that the Chairs ask the community for
>         comments to get a better
>         > > perspective of the problem.  The Chairs bear the
>         responsibility to make the process 
>         > > work and to ensure that their decisions have the consensus
>         of the community.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > normally, Chairs are looking for consensus so conflict would
>         not be so meaningful
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