[AfriNIC-rpd] Re: Return of Policy Proposal RPD Mailinglist: Abuse Contact Information in the AfriNIC Service Region

[Owen DeLong]

That's fine by me, but, please keep in mind the following principle:

Duplication of the same data in databases is bad because it leads to loss
of synchronization of that data and poor maintenance practices.

It is my belief that the IRT object would result in this type of duplication
and loss of synchronization regardless of the front-end implementation.
If not immediately (assuming a perfect initial implementation of the
front-end), then, likely in the longer term as the synchronization
requirement gets forgotten in some future update to the front-end.

Owen

On Jul 6, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Ok, I'll come slightly out of lurk mode too, then...
> 
> It seems that a lot of the arguments and discussion about this proposal hinge on the ease of setting up the abuse contact object (whether IRT or abuse-c).  But it seems that we're arguing based on a number of not-yet-validated assumptions about how it would be implemented, and arguing about the ideal backend database object, when what we really care about is the front end: how easy it is to provide the necessary information, and how easy it is to query for it.
> 
> So perhaps it would be useful to first come to a rough consensus on the ideal way for block holders to provide abuse contact info on the front end, and let that debate (and the ease of implementation for AfriNIC staff) determine the precise object type on the back end...
> 
> -Scott
> 
> On Tue 7/6/2010 12:16 PM, Borg wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 July 2010 21:45, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> I am not a stakeholder in this region, so, you are welcome to take or leave
>> my advice.
>> 
>> Since there is only one Internet ... valuable contributions are welcome from all corners.
>>  
>> However, it is my not so humble opinion that down this road
>> lies madness.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> I will now attempt to return to lurker mode.
>> 
>> On the contrary ... the lurkers like us need one of us to come out once in a while and speak. It would be very sad if a proposal simpley passed without debate . So ... permission to return to lurker base denied. :-)
>>  
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 4:51 AM, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello again,
>> >
>> >>> Are there any questions about the intent of this policy proposal?
>> >>
>> >> I am curious as to why you are still pushing this obviously unwanted
>> >> idea?  How does this help your working model/biz model?
>> >
>> > Because it is needed! And it is not changing our working model/biz model
>> > in either way. It is helping the idea of "Global Reporting" and it's
>> > helping the idea of collaboration between ISPs and network owners.
>> >
>> > I'm pushing this idea, because I'm certain about it. I have seen that
>> > collaboration works, that Global Reporting works, that publishing the
>> > correct abuse handling contacts and handling the incoming abuse
>> > complaints helps network owners to clean up their network.
>> >
>> > In addition I have not heard any arguments that told me it is a bad
>> > idea, quite the contrary. And the argument we have done it that way for
>> > the last 15 years is not an argument, it's an excuse for doing nothing.
>> >
>> > So I'm absolutely happy to hear your arguments about this proposal and
>> > discuss with you and any other person why it is important to implement
>> > this proposal.
>> >
>> >> I still think you are ignoring the realities of object creation in the
>> >> AfriNIC region (we don't do it for the most part, even when we
>> >> should).
>> >
>> > Just because it is like it is at the moment does first of all not imply
>> > that it is good. And in addition it does not imply that it has to be
>> > that way in future.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Tobias
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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