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[IOZ] [AfriNIC-rpd] Re: Fwd: AfriNIC position on the future of IP number resources

McTim dogwallah at
Wed Aug 8 17:09:38 UTC 2007

HI Alan,

I have to say that I find your requests in this thread contradictory.

First you want lower costs for LIRs, then you want freebies for an undefined
number of  networks.  I would suggest that you can't have lower RIR
fees if you give
away resources without compensating the RIR for the manpower involved.

More comments inline.

On 8/8/07, Alan Levin <alan at> wrote:
> I believe that community networks often use many gateways and
> upstreams. It wouldn't make sense to use an assignment from one.

Not from one, but from many. Lots of folk multihome using multiple ranges.

They don't need PI IMHO, and I don't think they should get it for free.

> This is an important question, together with the previous one, I
> request to update my proposal request to add a few other requirements:
> "I submit a request for the board to consider my proposal for special
> pricing of IPv6 PI allocations - packaged with a membership waiver
> and ASN - for community networks."

First, they get a PI assignment (not allocation) if I read
afpol-v6200701 correctly.

Second, is this a board decision or a community decision?

Third, can you define a community network?  I give free WiFi to my
neighbors, does this mean I get an ASN and a PI block?

> > 3) How many hosts does the WUG network run?
> The CTWUG has a few hundred but its expected to soon be many
> thousands at current growth pattern. It meets the criteria for both
> IPv6 PI and ASN assignments (other than the membership criteria).

CTWUG might (I don't know) but how many others will meet the following criteria?

Here are those criteria for PI IPv6:

(2) Assignment criteria:

* The end-site must not be an IPv6 LIR

* The end-site must become an AfriNIC End User Member and pay the
normal AfriNIC fee for its' membership category

* The end site must either:
- be a holder of IPv4 PI address space or
- qualify for an IPv4 PI assignment from AfriNIC under the IPv4 policy
currently in effect.

* The end-site must justify the need for the IPv6 PI address space.

* The 'end-site' must show a plan to use and announce the IPv6
provider independent address space within twelve (12) months. After
that period, if not announced, the assigned IPv6 PI address space
should be reclaimed and returned to the free pool by AfriNIC.

and for ASNs, the criteria are:

o A unique routing policy (its policy differs from its border gateway

o A multi-homed site.

o An organization will also be eligible if it can demonstrate that it
will meet the above criteria upon receiving an ASN (or within a reasonably
short time thereafter).

o Be an AfriNIC member in a good standing* (End-User or LIR type)

I suspect there are very few who meet ALL of the above (except those
you'd like waived).

I think that if we start creating exceptions for corner cases, it's a
slippery slope, and everyone and their grandma will want resources for

> There are a manageable number of community networks around Africa

this number depends on the definition of "community network"

If we want a strong, useful RIR, folk have to pay for it.

It was always going to be more expensive to start an RIR.  Using the
resources of an established RIR allowed the costs to be spread over a
much wider LIR base.  I would suggest that we focus on outreach and
getting more members to bring costs down for all,
not giving away resources to special classes of folk (no matter how
worthy we may find them).


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