[DBWG] All AFRINIC-administered IP space

[Noah]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 07:55 Ronald F. Guilmette, <rfg at tristatelogic.com>
wrote:


> In message <

> CAEqgTWZi2yC1XfG2zpZeGfAKQ6Smia_S4+Ld7ff01FMkO3sxKg at mail.gmail.com>

> Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>

> >If {RADB} aint listening to you they would probably not listen to any of

> us

> >either.

> >

> >FWIW, RADB services are not free and as such....

> >

> >Can we assume that squatters are paying a fee to maintain an IRR account

> >with RADB which then empowers them to create and maintain route objects

> for

> >Afrinic bogons or those orphan prefixes abandoned by those who had been

> >assigned.

>

> I honestly was not aware of the fact that people had to pay money to

> get routes into the RADB data base until I saw this message that I am

> responding to (from Noah).  This puts a whole different light on the

> problem!

>

> RADB is operated by Merit, Inc. which is located in the State of Michigan,

> U.S.A.  All I knew... up until now... was that it is a "non profit" entity:

>

>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_Network

>

> Based on that one small scrap of information, I had incorrectly assumed

> that it was 100% free for people to add routes to the RADB.  But apparently

> not so!  Far from it!  I see now that the company charges a HEFTY annual

> membership fee to all those who want to put route objects in their data

> base:

>

>    For-Profit Organization      $595.00 USD

>    Non-Profit Organization      $425.00 USD

>

> That is a LONG way from free!

>

> So, this certainly raises a number of (awkward?) questions, such as

>

>     (*)  Does RADB -remove- routes from their data base when someone

>          stops paying the annual membership fee?  (The evidence suggests

>          that they fail to do such cleanups.)

>

>     (*)  Will RADB allow paying members to add routes to bogon IP space,

>          and/or to bogon AS numbers?

>

> Now that I know they charge BIG money for allowing people to add routes to

> their RADB data base, I must say that I do view their past unhelpfulness

> in a somewhat different light.

>


You got that right :-)



> They would seem to have significant incentives to not give a damn what they

> do, at least with the RADB.  And they certainly have no incentive to listen

> to any "outsider" like me.



This is a safe assumption yes.

But I don't think that they could or would

> ignore a reasonable request that came to them direct from the staff at

> any RIR.  I will make some effort to see if I can find out about that.

>



And this is where Afrinic staff would become in handy imho.

So the next question would then be, can Afrinic pick this up on behalf of
the community and ping RADB folks.

Cheers
Noah
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