[DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

[Michel ODOU]

Hi Ben,

I confirm it would be very easy to disable.
For those who need to have the attributes ordered, we could do it on the
fly with a query option (ex: -o or --order-attributes).

Regards,
Michel

On 18/12/2019 11:29, Ben Maddison via DBWG wrote:

> If that is as simple as Yogesh seems to be describing, I would support.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ben

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> *From:* Yogesh Chadee <yogesh at afrinic.net>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:48:50 AM

> *To:* dbwg at afrinic.net <dbwg at afrinic.net>

> *Cc:* Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za>; Nishal Goburdhan

> <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>; Ben Maddison <benm at workonline.africa>

> *Subject:* Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net

> IRR DB

>  

> Hi,

>

> The re-ordering is being done when an object is created or updated. We

> could simply stop doing it.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> *Yogesh Chadee*

> Applications Unit Manager, AFRINIC Ltd. <https://www.afrinic.net/>

> +230 403 5100

>

>

>

>

>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 19:28, Ben Maddison via DBWG <dbwg at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:dbwg at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>

>> Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick

>> is requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this

>> behavior change would break any user implementations.

>> I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly

>> useless for its typical purpose.

>> However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't

>> recommend spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it.

>> Perhaps staff could provide guidance on the kind of work this would

>> require. 

>> Fwiw yet another obscure query flag seems an utter waste of time to me. 

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Ben

>>

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>> *From:* Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za

>> <mailto:patrickh at tenet.ac.za>>

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM

>> *To:* Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za

>> <mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za>>

>> *Cc:* dbwg at afrinic.net <mailto:dbwg at afrinic.net> <dbwg at afrinic.net

>> <mailto:dbwg at afrinic.net>>

>> *Subject:* Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net

>> <http://whois.afrinic.net> IRR DB

>>  

>> Hi Nishal, 

>>

>>  

>>

>> Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only

>> stated the below:

>>

>>  

>>

>> <snip>

>> Hello Mr. Holahan,

>>

>>  

>>

>> I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable

>> feedback and I am

>> sorry it went unanswered for so long.

>>

>>  

>>

>> I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:)

>> on the

>> following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and

>> you expect

>> the WHOIS output to therefore respect the order of fields as they were

>> originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.

>>

>>  

>>

>> If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the

>> WHOIS. We

>> could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.

>>

>>  

>>

>> However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would

>> ask you to

>> report the difficulties you are encountering along with your proposed

>> solutions

>> to the Database Working Group for consensus on the way forward:

>>

>>  

>>

>> https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg

>> </snip>

>>

>>  

>>

>> Regards 

>> *Patrick Holahan* (TENET)

>> Mobile: +27(79)523-5555 Fault Reporting: +27(21)763-7147

>> <mailto:+27(21)763-7147> or support at tenet.ac.za

>> <mailto:support at tenet.ac.za>

>>

>>  

>>

>>  

>>

>>  

>>

>> *From: *Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za

>> <mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za>>

>> *Date: *Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53

>> *To: *Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za

>> <mailto:patrickh at tenet.ac.za>>

>> *Cc: *<dbwg at afrinic.net <mailto:dbwg at afrinic.net>>

>> *Subject: *Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net

>> <http://whois.afrinic.net> IRR DB

>>

>>  

>>

>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:

>>

>>  

>>

>>     Hi DB WG folk,

>>

>>      

>>

>>     I was advised to forward the below email through here along with an

>>     explanation as to why I wish it to work this way.

>>

>>      

>>

>>     I think the email is pretty self-explanatory, advising that the order

>>     of the RIPE DB shows remarks in the order they were added to the

>>     object, rather than moving them and grouping them together. This

>>     allows you to understand what remark links with what part of the

>>     object.

>>

>>  

>>

>> this looks like a reasonable request.

>> in addition to “take it to dbwg”, were you given any other comments.

>> like why this could not be implemented?  or what problems it would

>> create for the implementors?

>>

>>  

>>

>> —n.

>>

>>  

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