[Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!

Tue May 31 07:09:03 UTC 2022

Okay, I'll try to summarize.

The board issues you missed have their origins in the board's resolutions
to extend seat tenures at will and manipulate the provisions for casual
filling of vacant seats. You only need to read a few board resolutions from
this year; there aren't very many.

The nomcom issues you seem to have missed have their origins in nomcom's
decisions to filter out candidates they do not like. Every member who has
had a credible nominee dropped is well aware of this but only 2 members
have spoken up. A simple request has been made for transparency into the
process that was use but nomcom refuses to share details and the board
pretends it is incapacitated in the matter. Probably because the process
can not stand up to any level of scrutiny.

So, how do you propose we build reforms and candid engagement with one
another on top of all of this?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 6:42 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:

> Hello Mr Dewole,
>
> I sincerely did not go through the emails and had no time to read them.
>
> My appeal is to form stability in AfriNic and discuss reasonably all
> reforms, policies and other stuff.
>
> My Prayer is we create peace and harmony between each other as members and
> between us and the board we elected.
>
> Sometimes i support the view of Disparate times call for Tough measures,
>  so In my view we and in general, I think we should ease the tension and
> focus on the bigger issues we have, force the board to act and function as
> well as the chair and not to stay on the sidelines.
>
> It is a great shame that our board directors they don't relate with
> members in their countries in the middle of this mess.
>
> It is an extraordinary fault of some members to still have the racist
> mentality, also this thinking of anglo and franco, I judge by what I
> learned yesterday, which escalated to defamation and and allegations
> against me only because I am dual citizen.
>
> Let us have a discussion in Nigeria when I am back, will be delight led to
> host you and to make it more beneficial we can call also other members in
> Nigeria and we make a forum or work shop together.
>
> When we join hands, minds, efforts, and work (in real sense) for the
> greatest good of African Continent, the reputation of our RIR, No one can
> control our limited resources, but if we remain of the bush mentality of
> what is mentioned above, we will NEVER develop.
>
> The history is full of our success stories, let us start making a new
> story Today that our grand children will enjoy and tell that our grand
> fathers and ancestors stood against the ambush that was stripping our
> continent of its Rights which in My view is an international security
> Concern not just African
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 7:55 AM Dewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for raising the matter of vote buying/selling, Mr Amin. Clearly,
>> some "network operations" are way more profitable than others.
>>
>> To be clear, I am not in support of monetizing votes. As a resource
>> member, I was also cold-called and I feigned interest (even haggled terms
>> and pricing:-D) in order to get more details and understand the "business
>> model" and the players behind it.
>>
>> While it is quite despicable (on the part of the desperate sponsor and on
>> the part of the hungry fools who help to crush the RIR by selling off their
>> membership rights), it doesn't break any currently established laws (much
>> as I wish it did). For sure it is indecent and even borders on criminal,
>> but we the members are the ones who can create consequences for such
>> behaviour by creating bylaws to deal with it.
>>
>> Be that as it may, may I ask, Mr Amin, what do you think of the issues
>> raised by members (myself included) about the current board and nomination
>> committee's election and appointment processes regarding these same 2022
>> elections you refer to?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dewole.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 1:54 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:
>>
>>> Your remarks received but I won’t be dragged to a discussion about this
>>> especially you and other three members, contrary to a very few, I am not a
>>> prepaid pawn.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
>>>> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
>>>> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such
>>>> as malicious offers of money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is true… It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary
>>>> decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
>>>> It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee
>>>> conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
>>>> It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only
>>>> one candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way
>>>> available for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in
>>>> office.
>>>>
>>>> An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the
>>>> nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of
>>>> choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold
>>>> the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.
>>>>
>>>> But, someone and his agents have been:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
>>>> the future of AfriNIC.
>>>>
>>>> Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive
>>>> person?
>>>> Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting
>>>> to bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and
>>>> false rumors?
>>>>
>>>> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
>>>> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide
>>>> the right to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>>>>
>>>> Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these
>>>> allegations? It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers
>>>> neither the name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the
>>>> allegations.
>>>>
>>>>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my
>>>> view, on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the
>>>> organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless
>>>> the entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are
>>>> making little or no sense here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
>>>> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
>>>> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out
>>>> that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such
>>>> possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies.
>>>> There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase
>>>> of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and
>>>> corrupt, but in terms of the “legal democratic practice of the
>>>> constitution”, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
>>>> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any
>>>> logical meaning.
>>>>
>>>>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as
>>>> members, to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is
>>>> only those without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of
>>>> dollars for their rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:
>>>>
>>>> 1. You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be
>>>> trusted and have no sense of belonging.
>>>> 2. This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as
>>>> nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.
>>>>
>>>> So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself
>>>> bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?
>>>>
>>>> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots*
>>>> *)*
>>>>
>>>> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as
>>>> the legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can
>>>> actually sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN
>>>> AMOUNT as disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>>>>
>>>> Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses
>>>> outside of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is
>>>> the only individual I can think of who fits such a description.
>>>>
>>>> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
>>>> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the
>>>> bosses’ message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC
>>>> and discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wasn’t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message.
>>>> Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support
>>>> such a claim.
>>>>
>>>> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>>>>
>>>> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should
>>>> stand against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such
>>>> voices as we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs
>>>> that have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it
>>>> clear to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let
>>>> us demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us
>>>> insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and
>>>> not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the
>>>> nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this
>>>> board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a
>>>> stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the
>>>> rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make
>>>> up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is
>>>> at its apotheosis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right
>>>> word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that
>>>> is the current board.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON’T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you are close, but not quite… Vote African sovereignty. Vote
>>>> Africa. Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community
>>>> and the membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not
>>>> the other way around. They are there to serve the community according to
>>>> the rules and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary
>>>> and capricious rulings of their own.
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
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