[Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

[Noah]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022, 20:44 John Curran, <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

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> On 16 Jun 2022, at 11:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
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> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:07 , John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
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> Since you’re opining on such matters, do you believe a "plain text
> reading" of the applicable documents allows AFRINIC to restrict use to the
> same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?
>
>
> Unless notification was provided pursuant to RSA clause 4(iv)(3), yes.
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>
> Owen -
>
> If you are referring to clause 4(c)(iv)(3), then I am rather surprised,
> since that clause refers not to simply a “notification" to AFRINIC, but
> rather an *"update _any_ data submitted to AFRINIC” *(emphasis added)*…  *there
> is quite a substantial difference.
>
> My understanding is that in the case of Cloud Innovation, this requirement
> was met by updates to WHOIS, as no other process for providing said updates
> is provided in the RSA, CPM, or bylaws.
>
>
> There are numerous clauses in the AFRINIC RSA that can require a party
> provide notice (and/or updating associated information) to AFRINIC despite
> having no specific process for submission – and it is my understanding that
> parties manage to provide such notice and/or updated information via actual
> mail/courier/email processes all the time.   Is it your belief that simple
> Whois updates would suffice for any of the other AFRINIC RSA notice/update
> clauses?   Why would this be the case?
>
> I only ask because I don’t quite understand how a Whois update could ever
> considered a substantive response to a requirement for a party to update
> “any data submitted to AFRINIC" [as per 4(c)(iv)(3)] – and particularly in
> circumstances where the new intended usage has substantially changed from
> the original request for resources.  Does your understanding of the
> situation include how or why such a Whois update could possible satisfy the
> irrevocable obligation to keep updated the information supplied to AFRINIC
> during RSA application?
>
> Thanks,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>


Owen,

Did you miss the above message?

FYI now.... can you respond to the questions asked by Mr.John?

Cheers,
Noah
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