[Community-Discuss] Update on the complaint lodged against AFRINIC at the Competition Commission of Mauritius
Noah
noah at neo.co.tz
Sun Feb 20 17:31:51 UTC 2022
Jordi,
Perhaps how about you stop confusing transparency with democracy.
Cheers,
Noah
On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 14:17 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
> Hi Arnaud,
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> As explained, in my opinion, the basis of the democracy is transparency.
> You can’t trust a country being democratic if there is no transparency.
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> We probably agree that after that trasparency, there are many other steps
> to build democracy, and that’s the reason why there are many ways to score
> the “democracy level” of different countries. My own country, Spain, is not
> in the best position and I countinuously fight in courts with the
> government and many instituions whenever I see anything is broken.
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>
> But if the basis (transparency) is not there in something so simple as a
> monopoly accusation … we have a problem and with that, what I’m calling is
> the legal AFRINIC staff to consider making a call to the government to
> change that, or otherwise, consider if there are other African countries
> that will better satisfy the democracy levels that AFRINIC needs.
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> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
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> El 18/2/22 22:37, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Hi Jordi,
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> What does democracy have to do with this? each country has its rules and
> as others said, AFRINIC and its lawyers should look for ways of disclosing
> their submission on this case.
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> I do think Mauritius is more democratic than many countries on the
> continent where you live… they just have some practices all may not like.
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> --
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> Arnaud
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> Le jeu. 17 févr. 2022 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <
> community-discuss at afrinic.net> a écrit :
>
> I fail to understand how is possible, that a resolution from a public
> Competition Commission is not public, even redacting personal data if
> needed. In normal democratic countries, as I know, all those cases are
> published in their web site.
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> AFRINIC legal staff must take care of that.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
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> El 17/2/22 15:59, "Mike Silber" <silber.mike at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Thanks Eddy
>
> There have been some interesting discussions on various lists
> regarding this issue.
>
> To the extent that AFRINIC can share any of its submissions to the CCM
> [which were obviously persuasive], this will be appreciated and could close
> off any future discussion.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
> > On 17 Feb 2022, at 13:27, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > An anonymous complaint was lodged against AFRINIC in September 2021
> at the Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") pertaining to alleged
> anti-competitive conduct on the part of AFRINIC with respect to the
> transfer of resources.
> >
> > The CCM had found no such restrictive business practice on the part
> of AFRINIC within the meaning of the Competition Act 2007; and the inquiry
> has been closed with no further action. This was documented in their letter
> dated 22 December 2021, Unfortunately however, we cannot publicly share the
> CCM’s letter.
> >
> > As a community driven membership based organisation, there are
> committees, working groups and processes set in place to address any issues
> that might need to be addressed.
> >
> > We shall continue to collaborate with all institutions, government
> or otherwise, and continue to deliver on our functions as responsible
> Regional Internet Registry.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Eddy Kayihura,
> > Chief Executive Officer,
> > African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> > ceo at afrinic.net
> >
> > ………………………………………..
> >
> > Chers collègues,
> >
> > Une plainte anonyme a été déposée contre AFRINIC en septembre 2021
> auprès de la Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") concernant un
> comportement anticoncurrentiel présumé de la part d'AFRINIC en matière de
> transfert de ressources.
> >
> > La CCM n'a trouvé aucune pratique commerciale restrictive de la part
> d'AFRINIC au sens de la loi sur la concurrence de 2007, et l'enquête a été
> classée sans suite. Ceci a été documenté dans leur lettre datée du 22
> décembre 2021, mais nous ne pouvons malheureusement pas partager
> publiquement la lettre de la CCM.
> >
> > En tant qu'organisation basée sur l'adhésion et dirigée par la
> communauté, des comités, des groupes de travail et des processus ont été
> mis en place pour répondre à toutes les questions qui pourraient être
> abordées.
> >
> > Nous continuerons à collaborer avec toutes les institutions,
> gouvernementales ou autres, et à remplir nos fonctions de Registre Internet
> régional responsable.
> >
> >
> > Cordialement,
> >
> > Eddy Kayihura,
> > Directeur général,
> > Centre africain d'information sur les réseaux (AFRINIC)
> > ceo at afrinic.net
> >
> > ………………………………………….
> >
> > زملائي الأعزاء،
> >
> > يسعدني أن أشارككم الحكم الصادر بالأمس ، 14 فبراير 2022 ، في قضية
> الاستئناف المرجع Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network Information Center
> (AfriNIC) Ltd. https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
> >
> > تم رفع هذه القضية ردًا على خطاب أرسلته AFRINIC إلى Cloud Innovation
> Limited بتاريخ 10 مارس 2021 وفقًا لأحكام اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل (RSA) حيث
> أكدت AFRINIC أن Cloud Innovation Ltd كانت ولا تزال تنتهك RSA.
> >
> > ينبع هذا الاستئناف من طلب Cloud Innovation Limited للأمر المؤقت ،
> والذي تم منحه في البداية لصالحها في 29 مارس 2021 ، ولكن بعد ذلك ألغاه
> القاضي الموقر في الدوائر في 07 يوليو 2021. استأنفت Cloud Innovation Limited
> ضد هذا الحكم ، و عُقدت جلسة الاستماع في 27 يناير 2022.
> >
> > لا شك أن هذا يعد معلمًا أساسيًا لـ AFRINIC ، ونود أن نشكر الفريق
> وأصحاب المصلحة لدينا على دعمهم المستمر.
> >
> > وببساطة ، فإن دائرة الاستئناف في المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، بعد أن
> نظرت في الحجج المقدمة من كلا الجانبين ، رفضت الاستئناف. بعبارة أخرى ، حازت
> AFRINIC على هذا النداء.
> >
> >
> >
> > أطيب التحيات،
> >
> >
> > إيدي كاييهورا ،
> > الرئيس التنفيذى،
> > المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC)
> > ceo at afrinic.net
> >
> >
> > ………………………………………………
> >
> > Caros Colegas,
> >
> > Tenho o prazer de partilhar convosco o julgamento mais esperado e
> favorável para a AFRINIC proferido ontem, 14 de Fevereiro de 2022, no
> processo de recurso ref Cloud Innovation Ltd contra African Network
> Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd.
> > https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
> >
> > Recordará que este recurso decorre do pedido de injunção provisória
> da Cloud Innovation Ltd, que foi inicialmente concedido a seu favor a 29 de
> Março de 2021, mas depois anulado pelo Meritíssimo Juiz das Câmaras a 07 de
> Julho de 2021. A Cloud Innovation Ltd tinha recorrido dessa sentença e a
> audiência teve lugar a 27 de Janeiro de 2022.
> >
> > Simplificando, a Divisão de Apelação do Supremo Tribunal das
> Maurícias, após ter considerado os argumentos de ambas as partes, indeferiu
> o recurso. Por outras palavras, a AFRINIC ganhou o recurso.
> >
> > Para vossa informação, é relevante acrescentar que este caso tinha
> começado na sequência da nossa carta datada de 10 de Março de 2021 emitida
> à Cloud Innovation Ltd, em conformidade com as disposições do Acordo de
> Serviço de Registo (RSA) segundo o qual a AFRINIC alegou que a Cloud
> Innovation Ltd estava, e continua a estar, em violação do RSA.
> >
> > Sem dúvida, este é um marco importante para a AFRINIC e gostaríamos
> de agradecer à equipa e às nossas partes interessadas pelo seu apoio
> continuado.
> >
> > Por outro lado, aproveito também esta oportunidade para informar que
> na sequência de uma queixa anónima apresentada contra a AFRINIC em Setembro
> de 2021 na Comissão da Concorrência das Maurícias ("CCM") relativa a uma
> alegada conduta anticoncorrencial por parte da AFRINIC no que diz respeito
> à transferência de recursos, pode observar que a CCM, por carta datada de
> 22 de Dezembro de 2021, não tinha encontrado tal prática comercial
> restritiva por parte da AFRINIC na acepção da Lei da Concorrência de 2007;
> e que o inquérito foi assim encerrado sem qualquer outra acção.
> >
> > Seja como for, continuaremos a colaborar com todas as instituições,
> governo ou não, e continuaremos a cumprir as nossas funções como Registo
> Regional da Internet responsável.
> >
> > Por razões óbvias de confidencialidade, não podemos partilhar uma
> cópia da carta do CCM. Contudo, é também lamentável observar que, em vez de
> levantar e abordar certas questões perante o fórum apropriado da AFRINIC,
> alguns consideram aceitável recorrer a queixas anónimas contra a AFRINIC,
> apesar desta última ser uma organização baseada em membros.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cumprimentos,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eddy Kayihura,
> > Chefe do Executivo,
> > Centro de Informação da Rede Africana (AFRINIC)
> > ceo at afrinic.net
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