[Community-Discuss] Lu Heng + Larus and the Number Resource Society
noah at neo.co.tz
Mon Oct 4 05:29:45 UTC 2021
I have taken note of your rant. After all "A LIE DOES NOT LIKE BEING
Therefore, I am copying your former colleague and co-chair Moses Serugo so
that we can also here from him.
Dear, Moses please confirm if Abdulkarim is a honest individual? AFTER ALL
THE TRUTH DOES NOT MIND BEING QUESTIONED.
I will add more actors as we go alone so that we can get to the TRUTH based
on some facts :-).
On Sun, 3 Oct 2021, 17:39 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> My attention has just been drawn to your email.
> I had wanted to reply to your numerous ignorant, unguarded and
> attention-seeking emails in the past, but I felt I would only be dignifying
> you by responding. However, you have crossed the line here, and I need to
> write against my resolve to not comment on some of these issues publicly
> anymore. Therefore, my response here is not to dignify your stupidity but
> to clarify things to those who might mistake your nonsense for the truth.
> Let me be clear, *I have never lied to the community* (provide any
> evidence if you have one), *nor did I ever abuse the PDP in any way.* All
> the decisions we took are in line with the PDP, and we (cos I never took
> any decision alone) took those decisions based on publicly available
> information and in line with the PDP.
> You and your group were not comfortable with those decisions not because
> they were wrong or because the process was erroneous but instead because
> they do not serve your selfish interest. You decided to set a bad
> precedence to appeal almost all our decisions and till date to God be the
> glory NONE of those appeals were ever successful instead, you and your
> group have now made AFRINIC more dysfunctional than ever before. Prosperity
> has been fair to us. At the very least, I can come out to BOLDLY say that
> the appeal committee that was in place even before we became the Co-chair
> NEVER overturned ANY of our decisions. We had no influence on the appeal
> committee, unlike what you and your friends are now doing. This to me is a
> clear testimony that we did the right thing. We now have a situation where
> Noah is now assuming the role of complainant and judge at the same time.
> This you still have to do long after your kangaroo process. What a
> shame!!!. Even the kangaroo process never said we did follow the the PDP
> rather they had to invent a new word just to satisfy the target you gave
> them. You and your friends have now manipulated the process (against the
> PDP) to bring in the so-called "co-chairs" we have no problem with that as
> it was a relief for us but is that what you call a consensus or did that
> process followed the "Norm" ?. If Yes, was it in any way different from
> what we did? When it suits you, you come out to say the consensus is not a
> game of numbers, but when it is against you, you come out to say the
> process was manipulated. If everyone had decided to follow your exact
> methods, hell would have let loose cos it only takes about 5-6 individuals
> to manipulate the system as you did (a story for another day). Things have
> now gone from bad to worse even for the PDP process. All decisions are now
> being appealed thanks to your precedence, and the appeal committee is now
> being turned into a tool just to make sure that you and your small group of
> friends can fully manipulate the entire system.
> Let me be clear once again. A long time ago, I decided not to respond to
> you publicly anymore but I would take all necessary, including legal
> actions against you, if you ever attempt to defame my character again.
> To all others, I apologies Noah crossed the line and I was left with no
> other choice since those in-charge of the CoC refused to call him to order
> until i ran into his nonsense 5 days after .
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:43 AM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, 16:30 Lu Heng, <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>> As exactly that, Owen does not make a representation of me, or any of
>>> the company some might think he represents, his understanding is
>>> entirely his own and does not speak for me, or NRS.
>> Very well, this is clear now since Owen often purports to speak on behalf
>> of your various entities using the "*We*" blah blah blah.
>>> To my understanding, NRS is not trying to make representation of
>>> anyone here in the community, and it never did, it's passing on a
>>> teaching/a view of the world some might find acceptable, some may find
>> The documents being sent to various resource members contain deceit and
>> misrepresentation so much so for false teaching expeditions by your
>> self-serving NRS. Based on my years of participation in this community, I
>> note that, no single resource member and I repeat, no single resource
>> member has ever gone this far or acted in this manner with your motives
>> becoming clearer, each day that passes from Cloud Innovation Ltd and all
>> its affiliates.
>> - I do not know of a resource member, who has attempted to recruit other
>> resource members through deceit (NRS) until you Lu.
>> - I do not know of a resource member whose associates (I mean your Larus
>> Foundation Fellows) have repeatedly acted as an echo-chamber to ensure the
>> AFRINIC PDP is rendered dysfunctional.
>> - I do not know of a resource member who has attempted to work behind the
>> scenes and push for a draft proposal through proxy authors until you Lu.
>> You were always behind this Antony Ubah and Taiwo draft policy which the
>> community rejected that today has pending PDWG appeals. If you deny what I
>> just stated, I will ask a renowned community member to speak out about what
>> I just stated.
>> *Case #5: Cloud Innovation Ltd vs AFRINIC (SC/COM/MOT/000382/2021)On 07
>> July 2021, Cloud Innovation Ltd initiated an application for Injunction
>> against AFRINIC requiring its board of directors to ratify a certain
>> resource transfer policy. The matter is resisted by AFRINIC and is ongoing.*
>> We the community rejected the proposal above because the co-chair errored
>> and we appealed as we are empowered through the bottom up process. One of
>> the former co-chairs, Abdulkarim, repeatedly lied to the community and
>> abused the PDP process to forcefully advance this proposal which you have
>> always pushed for behind the scenes. The proposal in fact was never even
>> compatible with any RIR in all its multiple versions 2, version, 3 or
>> version 4 all of which were rushed through by your associates Antony and
>> Today, you want to hijack the empowered internet community and its
>> bottom-up process by going to the Mauritian supreme courts in an attempt to
>> force the court to ratify the flawed self-serving draft policy of yours.
>> More than ever, the motive is clear, you want to use the policy as a means
>> to again, as usual, abuse existing community developed processes so that
>> you can get the opportunity to transfer the space that was allocated to you
>> for use in AFRICA out of the region.
>> I repeat, I do not know of a resource member who has invested so much
>> energy in pushing a draft policy proposal that never reached community
>> consensus until you Lu. AbdulKarim screaming Rough Consensus, Consensus, No
>> Consensus and Consensus within 4 weeks in the last call does not make for
>> In the history of the AFRINIC PDP, no proposal has ever been protested
>> like your resource transfer policy and that should tell you something about
>> the bottom up process which you clearly do not respect or have a clue
>> Your behaviour is so wanting Lu.
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