[Community-Discuss] Unaddressed queries by AFRINIC during AGMM

Anthony Ubah ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Sun Jun 27 03:50:03 UTC 2021

Dear Noah,

It has become obvious that it is difficult for you to contribute to
discussions or raise an opinion without being condescending.
It is natural for people to have diverse views. Things were never always
the same. Every moment in history is layered in old and new ways. It's not
healthy to be averse to change (good or bad). Open mindedness is key

The points Paul raised are topical issues, and in my opinion, these are
deserving of a deep dive.

NB: Series of "unemployment youths" are the architects of alot of the the
present day(future) norms and innovation.

Let's not be dinosaurs.

Kind regards,


On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 2:32 AM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

> Hey Ronald,


> You are spot on.....


> I have always argued that every single IPv4 integer that numbers a NIC on

> some router/server on this continent, goes to have a profound

> socio-economic impact, whether its some unemployed AFRINIC youth who has

> figured that they can run a small ecommerce business off a local ecommerce

> platform or a Telecom/ISP that is doing what it takes to get every single

> AFRICAN connected to the Internet on the AFRICAN Continent.


> Folk got guts out here openly telling folks that we ought to turn

> intergers into a commodity worthy some 30USD.


> My question to AFRINIC, do your resource members justification for IPv4

> needs, include that of running IPv4 Leasing?


> Does AFRINIC have IPv4 brokers as resource members?


> Because it seems to me that folk out here are arguing that IPv4 integers

> themselves are meant to be some product sold at 30USD.


> My understanding was that the need for IPv4 was for the intergers to be

> used by the requester to number infrastructure for their networks/systems

> and their downstram customers/users so as to offer a wide range on

> services/products that Impact AFRICA's socio-economically and politically

> from, NREN, Higher Learning Institutions, Agriculture, ISP/Telecoms,

> Egovernment, FINTECH, SME's, Ecommerce (I know of unemployed youth

> leveraging the power of online platforms to forge a decent life and

> economically empower themselves through ecommorce, entertainment,

> influencers etc). The true digital transformation if you will.


> So I really need to understand what Paul is going on about to ascertain

> what I view as clear misunderstanding and misinterpretation of what AFRINIC

> is all about.


> Cheers,

> Noah


> PS: RFG ....What is your poison? .... The least I could do is, ship you

> a cold Vodka or The Walking John :-).


> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:34 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

> wrote:


>> In message <

>> 17a3d21fad1.bd552ba1206303.7060355078460728919 at africaoncloud.net>,

>> Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net> wrote:


>> >Out-of-region use was extensively discussed

>> >within the last decade, and it was a consensus that pre-soft landing

>> space is

>> >allowed for out-of-region use. Yet, I heard that AFRINIC seems to be

>> using

>> >bylaw 6.1 to manage other people's resource usage. This is not part of


>> >policy and has, with good reason, never been approved by the community.


>> This happens to be a special point of interest for me.


>> Section 6.1 of the Bylaws reads as follows:


>> 6.1) Subject to the other provisions of this Article, membership shall

>> be open to:


>> i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing

>> services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use

>> of, or business of providing, open system protocol network

>> services; or


>> ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members.


>> There is no ambiguity here, and the matter is NOT up for debate. AFRINIC

>> is a corporate entity and it is -legally obliged- to conform to its own

>> Bylaws.


>> It is most certainly the case that some persons and entities who are

>> currently listed as "members" of AFRINIC simply do not qualify as such

>> based on any reasonable reading of the above section of the Bylaws.


>> If the membership wishes to *change* the Bylaws, then it may be free to

>> do so, under Mauritius law. But as of this moment, the Bylaws simply ARE

>> what the Bylaws are, and they are NOT ambiguous.


>> Some parties currently listed as "members" of AFRINIC are *not* providing

>> *any* "services in the African region". They are, instead profiteers and

>> carpetbaggers who have effectively looted what they could from AFRINIC and

>> then laughed all the way to the bank. (I prefer not to mention any names,

>> but the handle ORG-FGI1-AFRINIC comes immediately to mind.)


>> You can question whether or not AFRINIC should be allowing totally free

>> and totally unfettered use of, and transfers of, IP addres blocks that

>> AFRINIC has given out, but then if that was in fact the plan all along,

>> then a reasonable person would necessarily have to stop and ask himself:

>> "Well, then, what was the point of establishing AFRINIC as a separate

>> and independent RIR in the first place anyway?"


>> If people were all just going to descend on AFRINIC, like vultures, grab

>> whatever they could and then abscond with their booty to the RIPE region

>> or the ARIN region or the APNIC region or the LACNIC region, then we could

>> all have saved a lot of time and bother by never even creating AFRINIC in

>> the first place.



>> Regards,

>> rfg



>> P.S. I personally would be entirely happy if all of the five existing

>> RIRs

>> were folded into a single global entity. That would certain make it

>> easier

>> for me, i.e. if I only had to parse a single flavor of WHOIS records,

>> instead

>> of five different flavors, like I have to deal with now. But somehow I

>> suspect that the various people who work for all five of these Regional

>> Internet Registries might hold a somewhat different view on the matter.


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