[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Wed Jul 28 21:43:14 UTC 2021

Ronald is very right.

How that can be possible?

Of course, the original justification is *extremely relevant*. Was it done properly and in good faith?

Was it properly checked by the staff? Was the relevant staff doing correctly his/her job?

Is that justification still valid, or if the original intended usage has been changed, has that been reviewed with the staff to ensure compliance with policies and rules?

I could understand that you could change the usage of a small % and it is just fine, but if it is the majority of the allocation, the original documented purpose may not be longer valid.

If I said "I'm going to setup a network connecting 8 million users in a, b and c African countries, please allocate 9 million addresses to me". If then I change my business plan or actually *never* setup this network, the original documentation provided to justify the allocation, is not valid. Otherwise, every AFRINIC member could do the same, just to circumvent the rules!

Note that my comments are *in general* not just for CI or whatever is the AFRINIC member name or the number of allocated/assigned addresses.

We need to be crystal clear and transparent: If we want that the documented purposes for any member can change without a re-check, then it is open to all kind of cheating and I don't think the community adopted such rules. To allow that, we will need to agree, via the PDP on that.

El 28/7/21 23:31, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com> escribió:

In message <A6907712-42DC-4D51-8EDA-F9EE6F1D4066 at delong.com>,
Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>We have already agreed that the original justification is no longer relevant

What is this "we" Owen? Is that the royal "we"? Because *I* certainly
have no recollection that *I* ever agreed that the original justification
that was used as the basis for Cloud Innovation being granted two /11
blocks and two /12 blocks is "no longer relevant".

And given what we now know... largely due to my work... about all of the
funny business that occurred at AFRINIC between, say, 2010 and February,
2015... the same time period when much or all of "The Great AFRINIC Heist"
happened... AND given the absolute and complete lack of public information
about how Cloud Innovation's allocations came to be in the first place,
I, for one, remain deeply curious about everything related to how those
allocations came to be made, back in 2013 and 2014.

The only scrap of information that has, so far, been made pubic about that
decision process is that the decision(s) to grant Cloud Innovation two
/11 blocks and two /12 blocks were NOT made by the Board at the time,
but rather by "staff". (Well, anyway, there were some public mailing
list messages to that effect at the time.)


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