[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Noah]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 15:20 Antone Ubah, <blackboythinking at gmail.com> wrote:


> Oh Noah,

>

> 'Afraid' you say? Of what? Of whom? What are my stakes? What are your

> stakes?

> There is an ongoing legal process between parties involved, am I wrong? If

> anyone or group has input to that, is it not right to funnel such down the

> appropriate channels?

>

>

> Or are you the arm behind the puppets? The grand puppeteer popping up

> characters to incite friction.🤔

>



As far as I know and for a fact, you Antony are a puppet associated with
Heng Lu.

I know this for a fact and enough data to prove it.

Whoever Lili Au is, they have the right to speak and dont call them trolls.

Noah




> Then again, what are your stakes?

>

>

> Lili is free to air his/her/their views, however it makes sense to do it

> right, not for commotion sake.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anthony

>

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:00 AM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 14:51 Anthony Ubah, <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Didin't comms at afrinic.net already close this thread?

>>>

>>> Here's another bait email trolling the community.

>>>

>>

>> Let Lili Au speak. What are you afraid of?

>>

>> Comms dont have the authority to close any thread.

>>

>> They only cautioned on violation of CoC.

>>

>> Noah

>>

>>>

>>> *Best Regards,*

>>>

>>> *Anthony*

>>>

>>>

>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:45 AM Lili Au <au8692936 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS (

>>>> a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is

>>>> correct.

>>>>

>>>> —

>>>>

>>>> > Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道：

>>>> >

>>>> > Hi,

>>>> >

>>>> > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to

>>>> connect

>>>> > our customers in Africa" ?

>>>> >

>>>> > Did CI?

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks,

>>>> > Frank

>>>> >

>>>> > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing

>>>> > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

>>>> >

>>>> >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:

>>>> >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please

>>>> consider

>>>> >> the amount of space

>>>> >> held by:

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Non-LIRs (end users):

>>>> >> Hewlett Packard

>>>> >> Apple Computer

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:

>>>> >> Amateur Radio (AMPR)

>>>> >>

>>>> >> LIRs:

>>>> >> XFINITY/Comcast

>>>> >> Verizon

>>>> >> Akamai

>>>> >> XO Communications

>>>> >> Amazon

>>>> >> Microsoft

>>>> >> Google

>>>> >> etc.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the

>>>> >> above organizations.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Owen

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com

>>>> >>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Hi Ronald

>>>> >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a

>>>> >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block

>>>> >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette

>>>> >>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    In message

>>>> >>>    <

>>>> CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com

>>>> <mailto:

>>>> CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com

>>>> >>

>>>> >>>    Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com

>>>> >>>    <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    No, actually, it isn't.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making

>>>> use of

>>>> >>>    it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is

>>>> >>>    effectively

>>>> >>>    public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any

>>>> >>>    number of

>>>> >>>    public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>,

>>>> etc.)

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider

>>>> it an

>>>> >>>    affront to public decency if some people elected to look through

>>>> the

>>>> >>>    telescope and then just describe what they saw?  And if so, then

>>>> what

>>>> >>>    is next?  Book burning?

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's

>>>> >>>    consent is a

>>>> >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>>>> >>>> concerned person.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different

>>>> >>>    obvious

>>>> >>>    logical problems.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    First, the Internet is *not* a private network.  Fact's about

>>>> what

>>>> >>>    various

>>>> >>>    companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to

>>>> learn,

>>>> >>>    without needing the consent of the companies inolved.  That is

>>>> the

>>>> >>>    nature

>>>> >>>    of the Internet.  If you want to run your own closed private

>>>> intranet,

>>>> >>>    then go head.  Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every

>>>> last

>>>> >>>    detail of your corporate operations utterly secret.  But the

>>>> >>>    minute any

>>>> >>>    company obtains Internet number resources and starts using

>>>> those, it

>>>> >>>    *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange

>>>> >>>    for being

>>>> >>>    a part of, and a participant on this great communications

>>>> >>>    experiment we

>>>> >>>    call the Internet.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud

>>>> >>>    Innovation.

>>>> >>>    And yet even well before today I already determined for myself

>>>> >>>    that well

>>>> >>>    more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned

>>>> AFRINIC-administered IPv4

>>>> >>>    address space was being deployed to other continents.  This is

>>>> not

>>>> >>>    a state

>>>> >>>    secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%

>>>> >>>    public

>>>> >>>    sources.  Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same

>>>> >>>    information.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying

>>>> its

>>>> >>>    assigned number resources does or does not comport with its

>>>> specific

>>>> >>>    RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate

>>>> question,

>>>> >>>    and one which I myself do not have an answer to.  In any case,

>>>> the

>>>> >>>    courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine.

>>>> >>>    But the

>>>> >>>    mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its

>>>> AFRINIC-assigned

>>>> >>>    resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the

>>>> >>>    available

>>>> >>>    public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets.  Any attempt to

>>>> portray

>>>> >>>    them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    The second logical problem with the statement above is contained

>>>> >>>    in the

>>>> >>>    part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal

>>>> >>>    consequences

>>>> >>>    on the concerned person."

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    Exactly so!  If the guy who posted the material you are reacting

>>>> >>>    to was

>>>> >>>    willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE

>>>> OF the

>>>> >>>    possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for

>>>> defamation,

>>>> >>>    then why are YOU worried about it?  Why should AFRINIC be worried

>>>> >>>    about

>>>> >>>    it?  Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation

>>>> lawsuit

>>>> >>>    is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly)

>>>> defamatory

>>>> >>>    text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to

>>>> >>>    express

>>>> >>>    his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner

>>>> >>>    appears

>>>> >>>    to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless

>>>> >>>    censorship.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all

>>>> >>>    of the

>>>> >>>    issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts

>>>> to

>>>> >>>    muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>    Regards,

>>>> >>>    rfg

>>>> >>>

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