[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Noah noah at neo.co.tz
Tue Jul 27 11:59:14 UTC 2021

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 14:51 Anthony Ubah, <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> wrote:


> Didin't comms at afrinic.net already close this thread?

>

> Here's another bait email trolling the community.

>


Let Lili Au speak. What are you afraid of?

Comms dont have the authority to close any thread.

They only cautioned on violation of CoC.

Noah


>

> *Best Regards,*

>

> *Anthony*

>

>

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:45 AM Lili Au <au8692936 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( a

>> Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is

>> correct.

>>

>> —

>>

>> > Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道：

>> >

>> > Hi,

>> >

>> > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect

>> > our customers in Africa" ?

>> >

>> > Did CI?

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > Frank

>> >

>> > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing

>> > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

>> >

>> >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:

>> >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please

>> consider

>> >> the amount of space

>> >> held by:

>> >>

>> >> Non-LIRs (end users):

>> >> Hewlett Packard

>> >> Apple Computer

>> >>

>> >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:

>> >> Amateur Radio (AMPR)

>> >>

>> >> LIRs:

>> >> XFINITY/Comcast

>> >> Verizon

>> >> Akamai

>> >> XO Communications

>> >> Amazon

>> >> Microsoft

>> >> Google

>> >> etc.

>> >>

>> >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the

>> >> above organizations.

>> >>

>> >> Owen

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com

>> >>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:

>> >>>

>> >>> Hi Ronald

>> >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a

>> >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block

>> >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.

>> >>>

>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette

>> >>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:

>> >>>

>> >>> In message

>> >>> <

>> CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com

>> <mailto:

>> CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>

>> >>> Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com

>> >>> <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:

>> >>>

>> >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>> >>>

>> >>> No, actually, it isn't.

>> >>>

>> >>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use

>> of

>> >>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is

>> >>> effectively

>> >>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any

>> >>> number of

>> >>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>,

>> etc.)

>> >>>

>> >>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it

>> an

>> >>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through

>> the

>> >>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then

>> what

>> >>> is next? Book burning?

>> >>>

>> >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's

>> >>> consent is a

>> >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>> >>>> concerned person.

>> >>>

>> >>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different

>> >>> obvious

>> >>> logical problems.

>> >>>

>> >>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about what

>> >>> various

>> >>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to

>> learn,

>> >>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is the

>> >>> nature

>> >>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private

>> intranet,

>> >>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every

>> last

>> >>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the

>> >>> minute any

>> >>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those,

>> it

>> >>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange

>> >>> for being

>> >>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications

>> >>> experiment we

>> >>> call the Internet.

>> >>>

>> >>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud

>> >>> Innovation.

>> >>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself

>> >>> that well

>> >>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered

>> IPv4

>> >>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is not

>> >>> a state

>> >>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%

>> >>> public

>> >>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same

>> >>> information.

>> >>>

>> >>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its

>> >>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its

>> specific

>> >>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate

>> question,

>> >>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, the

>> >>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine.

>> >>> But the

>> >>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its

>> AFRINIC-assigned

>> >>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the

>> >>> available

>> >>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to

>> portray

>> >>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.

>> >>>

>> >>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained

>> >>> in the

>> >>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal

>> >>> consequences

>> >>> on the concerned person."

>> >>>

>> >>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting

>> >>> to was

>> >>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF

>> the

>> >>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for

>> defamation,

>> >>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried

>> >>> about

>> >>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation

>> lawsuit

>> >>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory

>> >>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to

>> >>> express

>> >>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?

>> >>>

>> >>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner

>> >>> appears

>> >>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless

>> >>> censorship.

>> >>>

>> >>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all

>> >>> of the

>> >>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to

>> >>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> Regards,

>> >>> rfg

>> >>>

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