[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Anthony Ubah]

Hi Leo S,

Is this a case of 'Naming and Shaming', a 'Public outcry' or an
'Intervention'? I am very much confused right now.

Although this mailinglist is a general community fora, this still doesn't
sound like the proper channel for this discuss.

Also, I still can't place my hand on the motive behind this thread. The
timing is odd as well...
You have highlighted details and Data of Cloud innovation, and also confess
to being a beneficiary of this 'loot'(if I may).

Is this post about AFRINIC, Internet, Cloud Innovation, or personal issues
with the person, Lu Heng.

At what point did you put on the moral hat, or have you been edged off the
table you once dined in, and now seeking retribution? 🤔

IMO, your email was clearly thought-out and drafted. If your concerns are
as stated above, for results, rather than initiating fruitless discuss in
the community with this, seek proper channels to funnel your concerns and
issues. If litigation is what you seek, put together your evidence and
witnesses, and file a court case. This community will back you.


Kind regards,

Anthony




On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 10:40 AM Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> wrote:


> About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.

>

> They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD

> per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2

> USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive

> maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price

>

> So the cost is $10,000 USD

>

> Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million

>

> so it’s 150000% profit

>

> Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support

> from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it.

>

> Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept

> their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action

> of discussion that would be detrimental to them.

>

> Of course, this is Lu Heng.

>

> He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few

> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart

> and knows who should pay the money to.

>

>

> To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use

> their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network

> service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia

>

>

> I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a

> circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the

> provider.

>

> The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation

> Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as

> Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these

> services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their

> revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business

>

> It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support

> the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for

> their address not to be revoked.

>

> very sad AFRINIC is too poor

>

> By the way, I was also their customer before

>

>

>

>

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