[Community-Discuss] Notice of imminent reclamation of number resources

[Mike Silber]

Hi Owen

Apologies for top-posting …. but this thread is getting over-long.

I suspect your suppositions are all correct.

If they are indeed all correct, then it would appear that Mr Wollner is acting as a proxy for CIL and the questions he raised would be more appropriately raised by CIL - either on this list or before a court? These are NOT general questions or comments about AfriNIC governance (which I will be happy to debate) but rather very specific to the current issue.

So, to me this looks like more astroturfing.

Mike


> On 13 Jul 2021, at 18:55, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

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>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 04:27 , Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>> Hi Owen

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>> I was not specifically responding to your comments and in fact I agreed with several of them.

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>> Apologies if I did not make it clear.

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> OK… It wasn’t clear and I missed that, I guess. In any case, no offense taken. We’ve been friends for several years and even though we may disagree from time to time, I know you to be a fellow person of honor who also consistently tries to do right and act in the interests and service of the community.

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>> The board minutes have improved a lot …. but can use a lot more work. The practice of publishing resolutions prior to the minutes being published is also a very good practice - though it may not be satisfying to you and others, as it lacks some of the detail you seem to seek.

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> You get no argument from me on this point.

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>> Thank you for confirming that this issue is directly relevant to you (I assume as a consultant to Cloud Innovation?).

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> Correct.

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>> Mr Wollner and others have not been as forthright in disclosing their interests …. leading to speculation.

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> To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Wollner is CEO of Africa On Cloud, a service provider in South Africa and a resource member of AFRINIC.

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>> My concern about possible hypocrisy related to this list of questions and the astroturfing that has succeeded it:

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>>>>>>  Which board members agreed to the meeting on short notice? 

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>> How does Mr Wollner know it was at short notice? It may have been a regular meeting for all he knows.

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> I suspect this is speculation due to the timing (Court ruled just the day before the board met and took this

> action). I suppose there is the possibility that the timing was coincidental, but surely it is not unreasonable

> absent other information to assume that the board acting on July 8 in regards to a court order issued on

> July 7 represents a very rapid convening of said board.

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>>>>>> 2.    Which board members voted in favor of the motion and which against? 

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>> This is never disclosed in minutes. Why is it now relevant but was not a month or a year ago?

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> It should be disclosed on all motions, IMHO. It was relevant a month and a year ago and I believe i have

> raised objection to the lack of this information at several open microphone sessions.

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>>>>>> 3.    Who tabled and who seconded the motion? 

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>> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited basis?

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>>>>>> 4.    What was the nature and extent of deliberations? 

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>> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited basis?

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> I can’t speak to Paul’s sense of urgency, but given the unprecedented nature of the situation and the

> severity of the consequences, i can say that I would certainly prefer to know sooner rather than later.

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>>>>>> 5.    Why the urgency to act so swiftly after the judge set aside the order? 

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>> This may appear in the minutes in due course. The minutes are not uniform in their level of detail. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited basis?

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> Sure. I only hope that AFRINIC will respond with the same sense of urgency and swiftness of action to the latest order from the courts.

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>>>>>> 6.    When was the meeting noticed? 

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>> This has not appeared in any minutes to date. Why is it now relevant but was not a month or a year ago?

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> I suspect this isn’t so much about minutes as about understanding how the meeting was convened and whether proper process was followed in this case of an apparently urgent meeting.

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>>>>>> 7.    When did the meeting take place? 

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>> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited basis?

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> Among other things, depending on the timeline, it may be evidence that AFRINIC has acted in bad faith and in anticipation of the court order which had not yet been issued. As such, the community has a clear interest in verifying this information.

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>>>>>> 8.    How/where did the meeting take place? 

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>> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited basis?

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> I would suspect the same reasons as 7, above. Certainly any board taking such extraordinary and unprecedented actions so swiftly with such large consequences to a member of the organization should expect additional scrutiny of their process from the community/membership, no?

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