[Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[Mathanya Ramaboea]

I highly appreciate CI's good communication with its clients regarding the
development of the lawsuit but I also agree that it would be good to see
what AFRINIC also has to say on the matter, to its members and everyone
else in the community. It is normal that the case involves a certain level
of confidentiality but from Cheken's link it appears that AFRINIC has
"repeatedly breached the Judge's order and acted in contempt of the
court'', so at what cost? How would this reflect on the outcome of the
litigation and everyone impacted?

Mathanya

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 17:26, sisoko daze <sisokodaze at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ibeanusi made a good point, but Mike made a much better point.
>
> I must say afrinic and cloud innovation/larus are really duking it out at
> each other's throat, seeing how even afrinic is breaching court's order
> based on the link provided by Cheken. But i'll hold my reservations until i
> hear afrinic's side of their update. Would be nice to see what afrinic has
> to say on that.
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 4:37 pm Mike Silber, <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from an
>> organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is clearly stated.
>>
>> It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial “community
>> members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) objective.
>>
>> I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a
>> difference.
>>
>> Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your
>> affiliation - the community would find your interventions less
>> objectionable. Certainly I would appreciate more transparency and less
>> pretense.
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 05:40, Ibeanusi Elvis <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> This “sockpuppet” ideology and terminology that has become an
>>> excessively overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong
>>> with sharing a link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant
>>> to him/herself. Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community
>>> as long as it does not go out of line. Members of this community including
>>> the AFRINIC organization itself always share updates and links; never have
>>> it been considered an act of being a “Sockpuppet”. Lets stop throwing words
>>> around in this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Elvis.
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:26, Serah Eazy <seraheazy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t see anything wrong with someone sharing a link of interest to
>>> some mailing lists. The past updates have been shared by AFRINIC itself or
>>> a community member that wanted to transmit the information and hardly
>>> anyone considered that a « sockpuppet » act. Only the two parties involved
>>> in the litigation are informed of the case’s latest development and it’s
>>> always appreciated when one of them releases a statement to update us about
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards
>>> Oluwabunmi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 9:08 PM Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure you do TBH. We (should) all know this is a sock puppet.
>>>>
>>>> What would be great is if a reputable and neutral press outlet took
>>>> interest.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> -M<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 12:54 Chris Woodfield <chris at semihuman.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It pains me to feel like I have to state the obvious, but a PR release
>>>>> from one of the parties in this dispute can hardly be considered a notable
>>>>> development worth posting to every RIR’s mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> -C
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Cheken Chetty <rameez.chetty at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the Internet community is still concerned with the ongoings
>>>>> of the lawsuit between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC. Here's a post I saw
>>>>> recently :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cloudinnovation.org/press-release3.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
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