[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Gregoire EHOUMI]

Hello, 

It looks like Owen and Cloud Innovation have decided to not respond to John on this trivial question.
This is an important discussion point as AFRINIC has always been in need-based allocation mode.

Silence from a very vocal person is also an answer.
Thanks John for asking.

— Gregoire




> On Aug 8, 2021, at 9:21 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> 

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 6:05 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:

>> 

>> On 5 Aug 2021, at 6:04 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>> ...

>>> ALL LIRs lease INRs. Many do it in relation to also providing

>>> connectivity services. Cloud Innovation also does it in relation

>>> to providing connectivity services in some (but not all) cases.

>>> 

>>> ... We (Cloud Innovation) have customers just like any other LIR.

>>> 

>>> We (Cloud Innovation) assign addresses to them for use on internet

>>> connected hosts, just like any other LIR. The only distinction between

>>> us (Cloud Innovation) and most other LIRs is that we will do so regardless

>>> of whether we are the provider of that connectivity or not.

>> 

>> Owen - 

>> 

>> Thanks for the above – I believe it is helpful in clarifying how the IP address blocks are being used today.  For my understanding, is this same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?

> 

> Owen - 

> 

> You have posted dozens of messages to this list of rationale asserting Cloud Innovation’s legitimacy in number resource matters, even going so face as observing that they are "a model citizen of the IP number resource using community” and a party with “meticulous” record keeping.  You have also taken to responding to many messages on this list detailing their IP number resource utilization as proper, and have no issue identifying as “We (Cloud Innovation)” in those responses. 

> 

> Surely you could do the AFRINIC community the courtesy of an answer to a single question about their number resource utilization – i.e. a yes/no question of fact regarding the number resources that Cloud Innovation obtained from AFRINIC and that now appear subject to dispute with AFRINIC?    (While I am sure that many have found your many assertions enlightening, it is often helpful to have clear statements of fact in order keep discussions well-informed and anchored to reality.) 

> 

> Again, for clarity – “Is Cloud Innovation’s usage today of the number resources for the same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?”  This simple question is certainly something that the community has a reasonable right to know – and should be trivial to answer given your exhaustive knowledge demonstrated in correspondence already on the matter. 

> 

> Thanks in advance!

> /John

> 

> John Curran

> President and CEO

> American Registry for Internet Numbers

> 

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