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On 5 Aug 2021, at 6:04 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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to providing connectivity services in some (but not all) cases.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks for the above – I believe it is helpful in clarifying how the IP address blocks are being used today. For my understanding, is this same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?</div>
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<div class="">You have posted dozens of messages to this list of rationale asserting Cloud Innovation’s legitimacy in number resource matters, even going so face as observing that they are "a model citizen of the IP number resource using community” and a party with
“meticulous” record keeping. You have also taken to responding to many messages on this list detailing their IP number resource utilization as proper, and have no issue identifying as “We (Cloud Innovation)” in those responses. </div>
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<div class="">Surely you could do the AFRINIC community the courtesy of an answer to a single question about their number resource utilization – i.e. a yes/no question of fact regarding the number resources that Cloud Innovation obtained from AFRINIC and that now appear
subject to dispute with AFRINIC? (While I am sure that many have found your many assertions enlightening, it is often helpful to have clear statements of fact in order keep discussions well-informed and anchored to reality.) </div>
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<div class="">Again, for clarity – “Is Cloud Innovation’s usage today of the number resources for the same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?” This simple question is certainly something that the community has a reasonable right to know –
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