[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

[Yas Houssain]

+1 Joshua

Regards,
Houssain Yas

Le dim. 1 août 2021 à 16:30, Erick Joshua Lagon <erickj.lagon at gmail.com> a
écrit :


> The implementation of the resource transfer policy (

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d4#details) would

> enable AFRINIC to reduce the risks in case their situation goes sideways.

> However, I do not agree with an emergency policy when a transfer policy is

> awaiting implementation. They should focus on that transfer policy

> implementation because it is the right thing to do now.

>

> Regards,

> Erick

>

> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:55 PM Thizwilondi Malupa <sienqle at gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>> Hi Robert ,

>>

>> I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is

>> pushing for the  transfer  policy for some other reasons. Passing a

>> transfer policy would  by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC badly

>> affected entirely , including this community  . And I think if we have a

>> transfer policy in place it will also be good for future challenges. But

>> not that it will always be a solution to look at during a crisis , but it

>> will be helpful to have it  in case it needs to be used .  I suggest you

>> look at it in a way where you put the interest of the future of the

>> AFRINIC  mind.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Ishmael

>>

>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:50 PM robert ford via Community-Discuss <

>> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he

>>> would use such transfer policy for.

>>>

>>> Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand

>>> the baits

>>>

>>> RF

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>

>>> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> 

>>>

>>> It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives

>>> the resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess

>>> AFRINIC is putting them through.

>>>

>>> But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we

>>> already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has

>>> achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies

>>> the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.*

>>>

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Lamiaa CHNAYTI

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss <

>>> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their

>>>> powers and pass a transfer policy.

>>>>

>>>> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through

>>>> this situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile

>>>> transfer out - problem solved.

>>>>

>>>> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which

>>>> the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if

>>>> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely

>>>> zero risk in this approach.

>>>>

>>>> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of

>>>> other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from

>>>> the current legal situation

>>>>

>>>> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of

>>>> its members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been

>>>> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should

>>>> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said

>>>> risk if it is within their powers to do so

>>>>

>>>> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on

>>>> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system

>>>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this

>>>> situation.  In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be

>>>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members

>>>> mitigate their risks as they see fit

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Andrew

>>>>

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>>>> *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>

>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM

>>>> *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>

>>>> *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss at arin.net>; secretariat <

>>>> secretariat at nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;

>>>> apnic-talk <apnic-talk at lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list at ripe.net>;

>>>> Members Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>

>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service

>>>> migration to other RIRs

>>>>

>>>> Good day all,

>>>>

>>>> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement

>>>> has been watered down now).

>>>>

>>>> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending

>>>> towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it

>>>> is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry

>>>> afloat.

>>>> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming

>>>> to save the region.

>>>> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”.

>>>>

>>>> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not

>>>> so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to

>>>> carry out its duties?

>>>>

>>>> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community

>>>> members.

>>>>

>>>> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of

>>>> the financial breakdown.

>>>>

>>>> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way

>>>> forward and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being

>>>> proactive.

>>>>

>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> 

>>>>

>>>> Hello community

>>>>

>>>> I think I  misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate

>>>> sentiments.

>>>>

>>>> Let me try this again:

>>>> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC

>>>> (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service

>>>> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted

>>>> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses.

>>>>

>>>> Regards

>>>> Paul

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner

>>>> <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>>*

>>>> wrote ----

>>>>

>>>> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too

>>>> large.

>>>>

>>>> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and

>>>> especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu,

>>>> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s

>>>> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its

>>>> inability to meet its financial requirements.

>>>>

>>>> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other

>>>> business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core

>>>> registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their

>>>> responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over

>>>> AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is

>>>> settled some time later. (

>>>> https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/

>>>> )

>>>>

>>>> That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results

>>>> come out of litigation.

>>>>

>>>> Regards

>>>> Paul Wollner

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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